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AZPaul3
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Message 827 of 836 (862098)
08-31-2019 7:18 PM


Midland-Odessa
Midland-Odessa Texas. 5 dead, 20+ injured, shooter killed.

Another Texas mass shooting


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Percy
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Message 828 of 836 (862137)
09-01-2019 6:15 PM
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08-31-2019 7:18 PM


Re: Midland-Odessa
Today on Meet the Press I watched a Republican (Rick Scott, FL) and a Democrat (Julián Castro, TX) offer useless solutions to the gun problem. Rick Scott deemed it a mental health problem while Julián Castro called for modestly tightening up gun registration laws. Scott's approach is no solution at all while Castro's is at least a move in the right direction, but neither will significantly reduce our high gun death rate because the real problem is too many guns and too lax gun regulations.

Here's a table of guns per capita and the gun homicide rate for North American and European countries. The United States is an extreme outlier. We have at least three times as many guns per capita as any other country, and our homicide rate is at least four times greater:

CountryGuns Per 100 PersonsGun Homicides per 100,000
United States120.54.46
Serbia39.10.61
Canada34.70.75
Finland32.40.32
Iceland31.70.00
Austria30.00.12
North Macedonia29.80.19
Norway28.80.10
Switzerland27.60.15
Sweden23.10.32
Portugal21.30.42
France19.60.21
Germany19.61.01
Luxembourg18.90.00
Greece17.60.53
Slovenia15.60.20
Italy14.40.35
Croatia13.70.35
Belgium12.70.14
Czech Republic12.50.15
Hungary10.50.11
Latvia10.50.18
Denmark9.90.11
Bulgaria8.40.34
Spain7.50.15
Ireland7.20.21
Estonia5.00.15
Moldova3.00.45
Netherlands2.60.29
Romania2.60.04
Poland2.50.04

--Percy


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Message 829 of 836 (862153)
09-02-2019 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 828 by Percy
09-01-2019 6:15 PM


Re: Midland-Odessa
Looking at those numbers I couldn't really see a strong correlation between guns and homicides but was surprised to find that it's r=0.87 - a very strong correlation.

But if you remove the USA as a massive outlier, you get r=0.27 - a very weak correlation.

Not sure what to think about that ... except that the USA is weird.


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Message 830 of 836 (862155)
09-02-2019 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 829 by Tangle
09-02-2019 10:39 AM


Re: Midland-Odessa
Not sure what to think about that ... except that the USA is weird.

1. Americans are a very violent people.

2. You shouldn't let violent people have guns.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Another one.


Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto

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Percy
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Message 831 of 836 (862165)
09-02-2019 3:43 PM
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09-02-2019 10:39 AM


Re: Midland-Odessa
Tangle writes:

Looking at those numbers I couldn't really see a strong correlation between guns and homicides but was surprised to find that it's r=0.87 - a very strong correlation.

But if you remove the USA as a massive outlier, you get r=0.27 - a very weak correlation.

Before I posted I did a scatterplot on the data just to see if it looked like there was strong correlation, though I didn't expect one other than the one datapoint for the US. I figured it would take large differences in the number of guns per capita (like the one between the US and Europe) to reveal a strong correlation given other factors, such as gun regulations and culture.

What did you do to extract the numbers into your analysis tool?

--Percy


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Message 832 of 836 (862171)
09-02-2019 4:20 PM
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09-02-2019 3:43 PM


Re: Midland-Odessa
Percy writes:

What did you do to extract the numbers into your analysis tool?

Nothing clever, I just typed in the numbers into Excel and used its CORREL function.

If you used Excel to draw your scattergraph you can add a trendline and tick the r2 function box too.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Percy
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Message 833 of 836 (862182)
09-02-2019 6:13 PM
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09-02-2019 4:20 PM


Re: Midland-Odessa
I also put the numbers in Excel, using Emacs, then just used the scatterplot function. I didn't know about the trendline or the "r2 function box", I'll check it out.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 834 of 836 (862281)
09-03-2019 3:03 PM


Bad Solutions Moving Forward, Good Solutions Stalled
Guns are moving into the classroom. Anyone who understands that guns increase rather than lessen danger knows this is a bad move. It's only a matter of time before a teacher or staff member carries out a shooting, perhaps a mass shooting, maybe an accidental shooting. Brief excerpt:

quote:
Among the most extreme and divisive options, some school districts have chosen to arm staff members, putting guns in the hands of teachers to protect schools from guns in the hands of students.


A pistol in the waistband of a teacher, who
will wear an outer shirt to hide the weapon at school.

AbE: Does that look like a safe way to carry a gun? Does that gun look very effective against an assault weapon with a 50 round magazine?

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : AbE.

Edited by Percy, : Formatting.


  
Percy
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Message 835 of 836 (866727)
11-15-2019 6:58 AM


It's been mostly quiet for a little while, there's no need to mention every single shooting, but yesterday saw another school shooting: 3 off-duty officers dropped off their children at a California school. Seconds later, gunfire erupted

Before classes had started, Nathaniel Berhow, a student at Saugus High School, walked into a quad area and removed a .45-caliber pistol from his backpack. He shot five students, killing two, then critically shot himself. He's in the hospital. It was his 16th birthday. It is not known where he got the gun at this time.

To quote a letter to the LA Times, "Until we control the madness of our gun fixation, we are doomed."

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


  
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Message 836 of 836 (866974)
11-18-2019 9:59 AM


Ten People Shot, Four Fatally, at Fresno Backyard Party
Four Asian Americans were killed and six others shot at a backyard party in Fresno, California: Fresno Shooting: 4 Dead, 6 Injured In Mass Shooting During Fresno Backyard Gathering

The clear conclusion from this is that everyone at the party should have been armed. Everyone could have pulled out guns and shot anyone they saw with a gun. Perfect solution!

--Percy


  
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