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Author Topic:   Dominant Force in West Today According to Dennis Prager is Fear of Left
Faith 
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Message 181 of 308 (867066)
11-19-2019 9:06 PM
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11-19-2019 8:53 PM


Re: Christian liberalism is an aberration
The point is I think most westerners believe Hell is a Christian invention, and finding out it is almost universal makes sense out of Christian doctrines of salvation that are presented as universally needed.

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Message 182 of 308 (867071)
11-19-2019 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
11-19-2019 9:06 PM


Re: Christian liberalism is an aberration
What it shows, M'Lady, is how universally evil religion is.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 183 of 308 (867072)
11-19-2019 10:48 PM
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11-19-2019 10:09 PM


Re: Christian liberalism is an aberration
or it shows that there is a universal evil. I believe though cannot obviously prove that God created the possibility of evil which was actualized initially by rebel spirits and inherited by humans. Faith is right. Jesus Christ, God's incarnate character, was and is the solution. I realize that the whole story sounds quaint and archaic to some. I also realize that I will never find a way to prove it to anybody.
You will go on thinking it all a made-up fairytale and I will continue studying the apologists, challenging jar and ringo on Biblical interpretation, and listening to Faith, our champion poster of all. But you guys have to admit---she has worked very hard to attempt to be civil and not assassinate personal character. She and I may not agree on Biblical Creationism, but we do likely agree on the saving grace of Jesus Christ. I too would likely think it all a made-up story had I not gotten saved in 1993.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 184 of 308 (867076)
11-19-2019 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
11-19-2019 10:48 PM


Re: Christian liberalism is an aberration
That is what I said. There is a universal evil and we call it religion.
The rest of your message is fantasy attempting to justify your snake oil remedy to the evil your creeds create.
I too would likely think it all a made-up story had I not gotten saved in 1993.
May you soon awake from this long nightmare with your intellect intact.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 185 of 308 (867077)
11-19-2019 11:20 PM
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11-19-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
I'm not going to listen to this but did want to comment on the Unitarian Universalist religion. It is a bastard religion of no spiritual value formed by the merger of the Unitarians with the Universalists. The merger destroyed Unitarianism as Universalist non-religious dogma took over. A few independent Unitarian churches do remain.
--Percy

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Message 186 of 308 (867078)
11-19-2019 11:33 PM
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11-19-2019 11:20 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
The podcaster actually comes to the same conclusion..UU is not for him.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 187 of 308 (867092)
11-20-2019 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Faith
11-19-2019 8:47 PM


Re: Christian liberalism is more Christlike, Fundamentalism is more OT
Yes I know there are many versions of the afterlife but I was particularly surprised by the existence of places of punishment or Hells because I'd though Hell was strictly Christian. If there exist many cultures with such places of punishment, ...
... Even where the afterlife seems pleasant there usually turns out to be some part of it for punishing the wicked. In any case however many there are it is a theme that is found more frequenctly that I had expected. ...
and ignoring the fact that there are many belief systems that don't, and moreover, that those that do, have several versions where some similar punishment is not forever, or some where is not as extreme ...
... it makes sense of some biblical doctrines that seem to suggest that the whole world yearns for a Savior. ... And Chistianity is the only religion that offers a Savior. The Savior IS in fact the religion of Christianity. Salvation is what it is all about. ...
So only Christianity offers a "savior" to avoid eternal punishment, while the other religions have alternate ways to get out of jail.
... Transformative and perfecting, saving us from sin, and from the Moral Law that we sin against, and a universal Moral Law is recognized in some form or other in many religions. Hinduism anhd Buddhism for sure. A law at least that rewards and punishes you for good and bad behavior. Karma for instance.
Other religions deal with morals and positive or negative behaviors in different ways, and it seems to me that the fundamentalist Christian method was the worst.
Liberalism is a bogus development in Christianity, a conforming to the world that is specifically warned against in scripture. ...
According to your worldview. There are many Christians who disagree with you.
Liberalism is a bogus development in Christianity, a conforming to the world that is specifically warned against in scripture.
According to your worldview. There are many Christians who disagree with you.
For myself I look at who walks the walk rather than just talk the talk, and I find liberal Christians more "Christlike" in their behavior that fundamentalist "Christians" and it seems we have more to fear from the right than the left, and I do this by looking around the world at alt-right movements and violence.
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Message 188 of 308 (867101)
11-20-2019 2:34 PM
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11-19-2019 10:48 PM


Re: Christian liberalism is an aberration
Phat writes:
... I will continue studying the apologists, challenging jar and ringo on Biblical interpretation....
I'm still waiting for you to present anything resembling a challenge.
Phat writes:
... and listening to Faith, our champion poster of all.
Faith is the last person you should listen to. Shame on you.

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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
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Message 189 of 308 (867127)
11-20-2019 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
11-19-2019 9:06 PM


Re: Christian liberalism is an aberration
Faith writes:
The point is I think most westerners believe Hell is a Christian invention, and finding out it is almost universal makes sense out of Christian doctrines of salvation that are presented as universally needed.
It only shows that the scam is universal. None of those religions can offer evidence that Hell exists. Apparently, we need salvation from a place that only exists in the human imagination.

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Message 190 of 308 (867128)
11-20-2019 4:47 PM
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11-20-2019 4:37 PM


Re: Christian fundamentalim is abhorrent
It only shows that the scam is universal. None of those religions can offer evidence that Hell exists. Apparently, we need salvation from a place that only exists in the human imagination.
More than that, it implies that the only way to get people to behave "properly" is to threaten them with the worst possible outcomes.
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Message 191 of 308 (867130)
11-20-2019 5:07 PM
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11-20-2019 4:47 PM


Re: Christian fundamentalim is abhorrent
Christianity is very clear that behaving properly won't accomplish anything. We're destined for Hell from birth. So there is no ground for threatening anyone with Hell for bad behavior.

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Message 192 of 308 (867132)
11-20-2019 5:24 PM
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11-20-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Christian fundamentalim is abhorrent
What a dismal outlook on life! How do you force yourself to get out of bed in the morning?
Edited by Coragyps, : Tpyo

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Message 193 of 308 (867133)
11-20-2019 5:27 PM
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11-20-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Christian fundamentalim is abhorrent
Faith writes:
Christianity is very clear that behaving properly won't accomplish anything. We're destined for Hell from birth.
Only the perversion called Fundamental Christianity markets that; it's a profitable conjob.

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Message 194 of 308 (867139)
11-20-2019 7:30 PM
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11-20-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Christian fundamentalim is abhorrent
... We're destined for Hell from birth. ...
That's not a threat?
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Faith 
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Message 195 of 308 (867141)
11-20-2019 7:42 PM
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11-20-2019 7:30 PM


Re: Christian fundamentalim is abhorrent
To me it's just a fact. And it explains a lot too, IMHO of course. The human condition in general. And the need for a Savior, which is why I brought it up. We can't avoid Hell by being good was the point.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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