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Message 3521 of 5796 (867123)
11-20-2019 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 3519 by JonF
11-20-2019 3:49 PM


Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
All but two of the "witnesses" were not witnesses, they wre reporting third and fourth hand hearsay. Aand there is no mention of "aid" in the transcript of the phone call.

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Message 3528 of 5796 (867148)
11-20-2019 8:59 PM
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11-20-2019 6:40 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Sure there are "plenty of mentions of aid in the statements of the witnesses" but they aren't witnesses, they didn't witness anything, they got it all second and third hand and even just made it up because it fit their strategy although none of it is in the transcript of the actual phone call which was said to be quite accurate. They just made it all up to suit their political agenda, and that was apparent in much of the testimony in the hearings today when the Republicans interrogated them. They were all going on their own made up opinions, their impressions, not on any kind of witnessing of anything. Biggest corrupt sham fraud on Trump and the American people ever perpetrated.

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Message 3536 of 5796 (867184)
11-21-2019 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 3535 by dwise1
11-21-2019 3:18 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
A witness would be someone who heard Trump's phone calls or talked to Trump personally. there were a couple of those. Everybody else was not a witness. The whistleblower also got his stuff second or third hand. there are other things that disqualify him as a whistleblower but those do for starters.

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Message 3542 of 5796 (867190)
11-21-2019 6:20 PM
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11-21-2019 4:02 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Sure you can get a bunch of Democrats to agree on what it all means and tell roughly the same story although there's been a lot of dscrpancy the Republican interrogators have been exposing, and the "whistleblower" is contradicted by the phone call transcript itself, rightly understood by all the conservative commentators I hear every day.
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Faith 
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Message 3554 of 5796 (867248)
11-22-2019 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3551 by dwise1
11-22-2019 3:55 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Amb. Sondland talked to Trump personally. He testifies to the fact that there was not only a quid pro quo but also that everybody (ie, Trump, Pompeo, Mulvaney, etc) was aware of it and was on board with it.
Funny I recall Sondland specifically saying Trump specifically said he specifrically did not want a quid pro quo. He was simply asking Zelensky to do what Zelensky said he was going to do, clear up Ukrainian corruption, and there was no aid involved in that request. The aid was completely independent. But it's becoming pretty clear that the Democrats are going to make it all up anyway.

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Faith 
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Message 3556 of 5796 (867255)
11-22-2019 5:17 PM
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11-22-2019 4:49 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
there was no quid pro quo. The aid was already slated for Ukraine. All Trump wanted was that Zelensky deal with the corruption he'd committed himself to dealing with, such as their interference in the 2016 election for Hillary and against Trump. No quid pro quo at all, just a request for perfectly normal action in dealing with known corruption.

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Faith 
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Message 3558 of 5796 (867258)
11-22-2019 6:05 PM
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11-22-2019 5:28 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO AQT ALL. IF THERE HAD BEEN WHY HASN'T UKRAINE DONE WHAT THEIR PART WAS UPPOSED TO BE?
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BUT IF THERE HAD BEEN IT WAS PERFECTLY CORRECT ACCORDING TO ALL NORMAL DIPLOMATIC PRACTICES. aID IS ALWAYS CONTINGENT ON THE RECIPIENT'S DEALING WITH CORRUPTION IN THE COUNTRY.
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Message 3562 of 5796 (867262)
11-22-2019 6:35 PM
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11-22-2019 6:31 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
YOUR sources make up stuff and add it. The "whistleblower" got his information second hand and when Trump let the transcript come out it was nothing like what the "whistleblower" had said.

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Message 3568 of 5796 (867268)
11-22-2019 8:15 PM
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11-22-2019 8:05 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Trump asked only for information about the previous election corruption and fraud aimed by Hillatry against him.

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Faith 
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Message 3582 of 5796 (867288)
11-23-2019 5:42 AM
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11-23-2019 12:05 AM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
I can't answer all this stuff so I guess I shouldn't post at all. I know Trump is being honest, not "changing his tune" to accommodate any of the Democrat bullshit, I'm just astonished at how you are all able to manipulate simple things to make him out to be some kind of criminal and I can't answer that stuff. Weird how first it was Russian collusion and the sense of certainty about that was manazing, oh any day now Trump is going to go under, then it was obstruction of justice, he's guilty guilty guilty, then along came this whistleblower who isn't even qualified to be a whistleblower but is just spy in the white house. Trump should have cleaned out ever last one of the previous administration's staff but he stupidly didn't. Democrat Presdients do but Republicans want to be fair and where does it get them. It gets them spies in the white house and a whole cadre of enemies trying to bring them down accusing them of all kinds of stuff they aren't guilty of. And it doesn't seem to matter what it is, if one accusation falls apart well we'll just set up another one, and we'll just keep making him responsible for the stuff our guys actually did. Hillary committed real obstruction of justice and Russian collusion but we'll ignore all that and accuse Trump of it insteade. Biden committed the real quid pro quo for personal reasons and Trump did no such thing but we'll stick it on him anyway. What Trump said on phone calls to the Ukraine and what he actually did are all within normal operations for American Presidents but the Democrats twist it into something criminal. so amazing, turning the US government into a third world swamp for their own political corrupt reasons.
There are people who can deal with all these shifts and twists but I'm not up to it. You have to go out of your way to get the truth these days since the inyourface media are all on the Lft, and there is no motivation to do that so you just believe whatever the latest lie is concocted by the Lfftist media and the House Democrats and whoever else doesn't mind destroying the American republic for political gain against a duly elected President. The gullibiligy on the Lfft is astonishing but it's beyond my ability to deal with it.
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Faith 
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Message 3585 of 5796 (867292)
11-23-2019 9:26 AM
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11-23-2019 9:19 AM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Of course. Cuz it ain't evidence anyway, it's just the Democrat blather twisting everything true into a lle. Remarkable alchemy. Democrats are really really good at it.
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Message 3588 of 5796 (867298)
11-23-2019 10:39 AM
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11-23-2019 10:28 AM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
I'm supposed to take somebody's opinion for evidence? Huh? Especially someone who clearly said Trump said he wanted no quid pro quo? Eh?
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Faith 
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Message 3602 of 5796 (867372)
11-24-2019 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 3601 by Chiroptera
11-24-2019 9:06 AM


Paul Krugman Republicans Hate their Opponents
How very very interesting. Not surprising though. Every word you wrote describes the Democrats and not the Republicans. How interesting. This sort of reversal of fcct is the main thing chrctrizing American politics these days. What is true of the Democrats is projected onto the Republicans. Though I wouldn't say "Republicans" I'd say coservatives or the Right since there are a lot of Republicans 3who sound llke Democrats these days. there has never been such irrational htttred as we see coming from the llkes of Schiff and those trying to impeach Trump for completed invented misdeeds. There has never been such distortion of American institutions and American politics as we've been seeing in this sharade of an impeachment hearing. The sharade of the Mueller Report should have been enough but the Democrats' utterly irrational hytred of Donald trump is going to come up with something, anything, no matter how false, and their followers are going to eat it up.
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Faith 
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Message 3604 of 5796 (867374)
11-24-2019 11:58 AM
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11-24-2019 11:10 AM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
All I can do is say the same thing I already said of course, it's you guys who have everything backwards. I hear the trvth every day but you all seem to get only the fake news.
Yes Coulter is usually good though lately she seems to have gone off the rails. Limbaugh is still good though. And Hannity and Mark Levin who puts in a lot of work analyzing all the elements of what's going on, and others.
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Yes it is the Democrats trying to destroy the Repubic and just about succeeding already, with their Stalinist tactics of show trials, shutting up the opposition and so on. Every word you said in that last paragraph describes the Democrats.
I hope this ridiculous Russian collusion thing eventually gets shown for what it is. Yes they tried to affect the election, but on Hillary's side, and they didn't succeed, but the Ukrainians were also trying to do that and according to Politico of January 2017 (Message 3099) they did succeed.
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Faith 
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Message 3607 of 5796 (867377)
11-24-2019 12:05 PM
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11-24-2019 12:02 PM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
You are quite right, I can't come up with quotes very easily. I get most of my stuff off the radio and it goes by too quickly, but pretty much the same thing is said by many different commentators, and I do keep putting up that actual piece by Politico which ought to be counted as solid evidence against the ridiculous Russian collusion theme song.
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