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JonF
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Message 3518 of 5796 (867115)
11-20-2019 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3517 by Faith
11-20-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Impeachment debacle
It's in the transcript. Many reliable witnesses have testified as to what happened. The cat is out of the bag.
Your refusal to return to planet Earth does not change that.

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JonF
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Message 3519 of 5796 (867117)
11-20-2019 3:49 PM


FARTGATE!!!!!

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JonF
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Message 3525 of 5796 (867138)
11-20-2019 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 3521 by Faith
11-20-2019 3:59 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
But there's plenty of mentions of aid in the statements of the witnesses. The phone call isn't all we have
All the witnesses tell largely the same story. (If they all told exactly the same story that would be suspicious.) They're not telling third or fourth hand. Even if you want to ignore all of them except the two you acknowledge are directly involved the facts are clear,

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JonF
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Message 3532 of 5796 (867170)
11-21-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3528 by Faith
11-20-2019 8:59 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Sure there are "plenty of mentions of aid in the statements of the witnesses" but they aren't witnesses, they didn't witness anything, they got it all second and third hand
The witnesses that heard Trump talking to Sondland, and Sondland himself.
The transcript of the call is clear. "I want weapons". "I want a favor, say you're going to investigate my political rival and the Russian propaganda about Ukraine meddling in our election".
You sure are obsessed with your "made it up" fantasy.

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JonF
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Message 3539 of 5796 (867187)
11-21-2019 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 3536 by Faith
11-21-2019 3:42 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
A witness would be someone who ***** Trump's phone calls or talked to Trump personally. there were a couple of those.
And the tale they told was damning and consistent with all the other testimony. Even if you consider only what they said Trump is guilty as sin.
The whistleblower has been corroborated. Whatever the source he/she was correct.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 3543 of 5796 (867191)
11-21-2019 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3542 by Faith
11-21-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Several of them are Republicans, especially Sondland. The two witnesses the Republicans requested supported the testimony of the other witnesses with a few discrepancies.
List four significant discrepancies between any two accounts. (Slight discrepancies are characteristic of true testimony). You won't because you can't, there are none.
The phone call "transcript" confirms the whistleblower's account. "We want arms" "I want a favor, investigate some Russian propaganda and revive a rightly-closed investigation against my political rival". Lots of participants were shocked at that blatant extortion. .

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JonF
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Message 3548 of 5796 (867226)
11-22-2019 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 3547 by PaulK
11-22-2019 11:10 AM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Buying an ambassadorship is a tradition practiced by both sides.
But Sondland's no Democrat.

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JonF
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Message 3560 of 5796 (867260)
11-22-2019 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3554 by Faith
11-22-2019 4:33 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Funny I recall Sondland ************ saying Trump ************ said he ************* did not want a quid pro quo.
Trump did say that. September ninth, a week after the White House was informed of the whistleblower and the same day the IG notified the House Intelligence Committee of the complaint.
Lots of crooks say they didn't do it. Nobody cares what they say because of their bias.
I note that you don't remember these parts. From Fox News, Sondland declares quid pro quo, pundits call testimony damaging to Trump | Fox News
quote:
Gordon Sondland, who had already changed his testimony once, delivered a torrent of words, but none more important than these: Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.
What’s more, the ambassador who was once cast as a pro-Trump witness provided a road map to the Ukraine mess, made clear many top officials were involved, and said it was done at the express direction of the president. Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.
...
He said Mike Pompeo, Mick Mulvaney and Rick Perry were kept briefed, citing an email that they were copied on six days before Trump had the famous call with Ukrainian president Zelensky. In that message, Sondland explained that he just talked to Zelensky and got him to commit to the fully transparent investigation that Trump wanted.
In case there was any ambiguity, Sondland said they all understood what Trump wanted in exchange for the call and a possible meeting with Ukraine’s president. Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky. Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. The latter is the Ukrainian company that gave Hunter Biden a lucrative job.
Sondland did say Trump never directly told him a Zelensky meeting was conditioned on a Ukrainian announcement of investigations, but that Rudy didand for the ambassador, it was two plus two equals four.
{Emphasis added}
So Fox News acknowledges that Sondland explicitly and emphatically said there was a quid pro quo. Or is Fox too bleeding-heart liberal for you?
Oh, BTW, Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 3561 of 5796 (867261)
11-22-2019 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 3558 by Faith
11-22-2019 6:05 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO AQT ALL. IF THERE HAD BEEN WHY HASN'T UKRAINE DONE WHAT THEIR PART WAS UPPOSED TO BE?
They were going to. The deal was done and they had the "suggested" statement. The interview with Fareed Zakaria on CNN was set up. Then the whistleblower complaint went public and blew the gaff.
Had the whistleblower's report come out a few days later they almost certainly would have done it.
Your sources are leaving a lot out.

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JonF
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Message 3564 of 5796 (867264)
11-22-2019 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 3562 by Faith
11-22-2019 6:35 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
The whistleblower described the call quite accurately. If you think otherwise, list the errors. Of course you can't, someone just told you that. You have no clue as to the content of the call or the whistleblower's accusation.
I note you can't handle the reality of Sondland's testimony.
quote:
Gordon Sondland, who had already changed his testimony once, delivered a torrent of words, but none more important than these: Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.
What’s more, the ambassador who was once cast as a pro-Trump witness provided a road map to the Ukraine mess, made clear many top officials were involved, and said it was done at the express direction of the president. Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.
...
He said Mike Pompeo, Mick Mulvaney and Rick Perry were kept briefed, citing an email that they were copied on six days before Trump had the famous call with Ukrainian president Zelensky. In that message, Sondland explained that he just talked to Zelensky and got him to commit to the fully transparent investigation that Trump wanted.
In case there was any ambiguity, Sondland said they all understood what Trump wanted in exchange for the call and a possible meeting with Ukraine’s president. Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky. Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. The latter is the Ukrainian company that gave Hunter Biden a lucrative job.
Sondland did say Trump never directly told him a Zelensky meeting was conditioned on a Ukrainian announcement of investigations, but that Rudy didand for the ambassador, it was two plus two equals four.
{Emphasis added}
So Fox News acknowledges that Sondland explicitly and emphatically said there was a quid pro quo. Or is Fox too bleeding-heart liberal for you?
Oh, BTW, Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.

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JonF
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Message 3565 of 5796 (867265)
11-22-2019 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 3563 by xongsmith
11-22-2019 6:44 PM


Re: whistleblower analogy the stupid GOP needs to understand
Hum. I see the same after stripping the "?" and following.

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JonF
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Message 3571 of 5796 (867274)
11-22-2019 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 3568 by Faith
11-22-2019 8:15 PM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
Trump asked for an investigation into Joe Biden and the lunatic conspiracy theory that Ukraine has "Hillary's server" (there were more than 100 servers in the DNC). The fantasy is that somehow that means Ukraine hacked the DNC rather than Russia. Putin desperately wants to get rid of Obama's sanctions for that Interference, so Trump wants it too. Of course you haven't read the transcript.
quote:
President Zelenskyy: Yes you areabsolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% arid I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet.with her. I also met
and talked with Macron . and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doingon the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than.the European Union and- I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russia,n Federation. I would alsolike to thank youfor.your great support iri the area of defense. . We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes ..
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows alot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your weal thy people... The server, they say Ukraine has.it. There- are a lot. of things that went on, the:whole situation .. I think you're _surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I . would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsetise ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance-, but they. say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you. do it
if that's possible.
...
The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that sowhatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me
So as I've often said, "We want arms" "I want you to investigate some bullshit Russian propaganda and one of my political rivals".
Yes, at that point Zelensky knew the aid was held up and Sondland had told him that's the quid pro quo. And, of course, Biden never said anything about stopping any prosecution. The investigation into Hunter Biden was shelved a year before the world called for ousting Viktor Shokin..
Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 3572 of 5796 (867275)
11-22-2019 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3569 by xongsmith
11-22-2019 8:43 PM


Re: whistleblower analogy the stupid GOP needs to understand
I clicked on your URL and copied it. It came with a question mark and a bunch of parameters.

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JonF
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Message 3584 of 5796 (867291)
11-23-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3582 by Faith
11-23-2019 5:42 AM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
{snip meaningless rant}
So you've decided to ignore all the evidence. As expected.

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JonF
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Message 3587 of 5796 (867296)
11-23-2019 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 3585 by Faith
11-23-2019 9:26 AM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
All the testimony is evidence. Sondham is no Democrat. The stories are consistent and damning for Trump.
And neither you nor anyone has any meaningful response.
Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.
Run away! Run away!

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