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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
But there's plenty of mentions of aid in the statements of the witnesses. The phone call isn't all we have All the witnesses tell largely the same story. (If they all told exactly the same story that would be suspicious.) They're not telling third or fourth hand. Even if you want to ignore all of them except the two you acknowledge are directly involved the facts are clear, Indeed. The witnesses tonight, Laura Cooper and David Hale, from the state dept, will speak to the delay of the aid -- with the finger pointing to Mick Mulvaney at the white house. tick tock Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
All but two of the "witnesses" were not witnesses, they wre reporting third and fourth hand hearsay. Aand there is no mention of "aid" in the transcript of the phone call. and there was no mention of corruption even though Lt. Col. Vindman prepared a list of talking points for the president for each phone call that included this.
... they wre reporting third and fourth hand hearsay. ... What they were reporting was circumstantial evidence.
quote: Here we have a series of witnesses that all connect the fact of the aid being withheld with the fact that Humpty Dumbty Trumpty wanted dirt on Biden and other "deliverables" Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: Donating $1 million to Trump’s inauguration is what Sonderland did. Now we get screws turned for another $500,000 for Senate confirmation. And Sonderland, in my opinion, demonstrated amply that amateurs/pretend ambassadors do more harm than good, and that he was unsuited for the task of representing the US. He allowed Rudy to subvert the aid to Ukraine. The career diplomat ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, wasn't going to go along with the corrupt scheme. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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No, they only spread shit. Actually they think they are doing a snow-job, but it's yellow snow. by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
But even more important than all these details is that Trump has no evidence for any of the diversionary fictions he's making up, except to say things like, "People are saying..." and so forth, which is just more fiction. Curiously, "People are saying..." is the definition of hearsay. Just for those following the GOP comedians changing statements. Didn't you love the scene where Rep "#madcow" Numnuts gives Dr Hill a copy of his purported "intelligence report" that was based on the Russian talking points Ukraine-did-it propaganda ... and Dr Hill tells him what everybody that actually knew it was Russian propaganda knew. SLAM smack-down. He doesn't mention it again. LOLZ Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I don't expect that, while I'm sure the NRA and others have explained this very thoroughly, ... Can you show that those "explanations" use an originalist approach, or you are not an originalist and you accept a non-originalist argument ... which means you are not an originalist.
... I believe the 2nd amendment refers to two completely separate things, and the only reason they're in the same amendment is because they both involve arms; ... Can you show an originalist basis for this belief of yours?
... and arms rights for individuals, to always be an intimidating factor against an imperial government. Again, can you show an originalist basis for this belief of yours? It seems pretty clear to me that there are reasonable limits as I said:
Note that I do not see anywhere any provision for individuals to use arms to murder large numbers of innocent citizens going about their normal everyday business, or for arming them for such purpose. I think you would agree that the founders would find such behavior abhorrent.
quote: And carrying loaded mass murder weapons in public would also be a misdemeanor (affrighting), because that was the law when the constitution was written. You don't give me any reason to think otherwise.
... But to answer your question, if Scalia were alive today, he'd probably change his mind. ... This is laughable, and totally incongruous to a purported originalist mindset. You might just as well say that Jefferson, Madison, et al would probably change their minds about weapon possession, which curiously is what gun control advocates have been saying. In other words you take what you believe and then cherry pick arguments from others to suit your belief/s.
... Because climate change hysteria has gotten out of hand. ... We have Percy and many others convinced that some coastal cities are going to be underwater very soon, and there's nothing that can be done about it now. The list of this type of thing goes on and on, and it can only lead to one logical conclusion, that the U.S. today is in more danger of government searches and seizures than it ever has been in history. ... The targeting of small, defined segments of the population, one step at a time, is the only way to meet the significant, greenhouse gas reducing demands of angry, jealous mobs who constantly point fingers at others for climate change solutions. And you're going to use guns to combat this? It boggles the mind that you would think making the world cleaner and better needs to be combated by groups of rag-tag gun individuals with AK-47's and the like running around shooting at rising sea level. Curiously I think the biggest threat to "the U.S. today is in more danger of government searches and seizures than it ever has been in history" because of ICE and Humpty Dumbty Trumpty's treatment of immigrants ... but I don't see you being in any way disturbed by that problem. Do you think people should arm themselves with AK-47 and bazookas etc and provide armed resistance to ICE? Just asking.
The time for individuals to be armed is more important today than ever before, if the U.S. is to avoid a Venezuela style collapse. That was caused by US CIA meddling and sanctions? Have Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc, collapsed? No? Then the problem is not democracies with socialist programs (like welfare, healthcare for all, free education, police, national defense, etc) within a capitalist system where taxes are used to benefit the people, more specifically the working people, as opposed to companies and rich people. What scares you about healthy, educated, happy people (these nordic nations have the highest happiness in the world) living an economically secure life?
quote: It is not socialism per se but a cascade of reasons, some of them imposed from the outside. But even so, what is being advocate in the US is not socialism but FDR "new deal" type programs while leaving capitalism as the main economic model, using social programs to benefit people to temper the bad effects of excessive capitalism (like poverty, income insecurity, etc).
The time for individuals to be armed is more important today than ever before, if the U.S. is to avoid a Venezuela style collapse. But you're not worried at all about a collapse into Fascism and the destruction of our democratic republic from within by Moscow McConnell and Humpty Dumbty Trumpty ... sad. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: So he was "in the loop" about Biden/Burisma etc then we have
quote: So he meets with known corrupt Ukrainians to look into evidence to backup Humpty Dumbty Trumpy's conspiracy theory based on Russian propaganda, and then claims in the hearing that the issue was rooting out Ukrainian corruption ... Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
My answer is a resounding NO, ... Good, proud of you.
... and it doesn't pass your smell test because I didn't address your false statement. Trump has never said, or implied, that he can "do whatever he wants". ... Trump appears before teenage audience and declares, 'I can do whatever I want' Trump Said It, ‘I Can Do Whatever I Want’ In Bonkers Interview. Above The Law, Much? Trump Claims Article 2 Gives Him ‘The Right To Do Whatever I Want As President’ Try again.
... What he does is responds to questions about whether he thinks he can do whatever he wants in a certain, defined situation. Like when he's dealing with a foreign leader, or working with classified information. ... Which is why he withdrew suddenly from Syria after a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoan letting the Turks invade and letting Russian troops into area held by US soldiers, taking over their barracks. Which is why he tried to Bribe newly elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky by withholding aid to do some dirt digging on Biden/Burisma/DNC Server fantasy conspiracy idiot theory, again weakening the US foreign policy, putting Ukrainian soldiers in weaker position and strengthening Russia's position. Which is why he discussed top secret information at Mara Lago over dinner in public ... with Russians.
... He has a lot of responsibilities and duties under the constitution, and this is a more dangerous time than most of the past, in that Trump has many in a Democrat congress who would freely commit treason to block him from succeeding at something, or to help get him removed from office. Can you tell me what treason you think Democrats would do? Conspire with a foreign government to hack the election like he has done?
First off, Hunter Biden was investigated and cleared by Ukraine prosecutors in May. I would prefer that he was investigated by Americans. So Trump is wrong to ask Ukraine to do it?
Second, that's not the question. It is against Federal campaign law to ask for or receive assistance from a foreign country. Here is Humpty Dumbty Trumpty asking for a political favor from Ukraine. If only we had an investigation of the phone calls Hillary made in obtaining the Steele Dossier. But you wouldn't be interested, would you? Five comments: First I think Hillary and the DNC were wrong in their campaign to block Bernie, and that if they had not done that the emails would not have been a problem for them. Second the "Steele Dossier" was started by Never-Trumpers Third the company that was involved with the "Steele Dossier" (Fusion GPS) is an American company, not a foreign country. Fourth the investigations into Hillary re Bengazi were longer than this hearing on Trumps abuse of power. Fifth you didn't answer the question again
Was his use of his position to attempt to extort a foreign government leader into assisting his re-election campaign overstepping the bounds? No. Attempting to discover the truth about possible criminal activity of the son of Joe Biden, who isn't, and won't be, his opponent in 2020, had nothing to do with his re-election campaign. Second, that's not the question. It is against Federal campaign law to ask for or receive assistance from a foreign country. Here is Humpty Dumbty Trumpty asking for a political favor from Ukraine. If only we had an investigation of the phone calls Hillary made in obtaining the Steele Dossier. But you wouldn't be interested, would you? It's a simple question: is it okay for Trump to ask a foreign country for personal political aid in spite of it being against Federal Laws.
Yes OR No This is all trivial, witch hunt stuff. We'll find out how important all this is when the current impeachment stuff is over. Bribery is trivial, using the position of president to extort something of personal benefit is trivial ... got it.
A large part of the reason Trump was elected was to challenge all the "this is how we've always done it" mindset in dealing with foreign countries. ... Creating disasters as he goes because he doesn't understand the value of diplomacy and treaties.
... He's doing it from his experience as a businessman, not a politician. And of course the answer to that is "he's failed at everything he's ever done!!!!!" ... And proving in the process that business management is not a good working model for government management.
... But since unemployment is now at a 50 year low, maybe he's finally learned how to do something in his old age. Carrying on a trend from Obama ... from wiki Meanwhile more workers are working two or three jobs to make ends meet, and available jobs are minimum wage or worse. Plus you have more workers who are outside the unemployment calculations. Considered unemployable. More homeless people. More poverty. Plus you have the highest farm bankruptcies and suicides ...
Amid Trump Tariffs, Farm Bankruptcies And Suicides Rise Well you give yourself a pretty convenient position, since I'm an originalist I have to adhere to a stringent interpretation of the constitution (interpreted by you) and you living constitutionalists can justify bending and shaping the constitution any way you want, "to promote the general welfare"? That's the shoes you put on when you claim to be an originalist ... if they fit wear them. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : Fusion GPS for cloudstrikeby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I'm supposed to take somebody's opinion for evidence? Huh? Especially someone who clearly said Trump said he wanted no quid pro quo? Eh? What Sonderland said was that Trump said to him "no quid pro quo" that he "wanted no quid pro quo" ... and "talk to Rudy" ... but that in fact there was an actual quid pro quo because of the information he had from Rudy acting for the president. See the distinction? Trump lies, we know that. It is well documented. So the question is: who do you trust more ... (lying) Trump on the lawn, or Sonderland testifying under oath? Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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One of your preferred tacts these days seems to be putting words in my mouth, "you really mean..." etc. No, I really mean what I actually said. And what you have said is that you believe Russian propaganda over objective empirical evidence. Of course you don't think it is Russian propaganda, because you are told that the propaganda is true. The aid that was passed by the house, passed by the senate and then signed by Trumpty, was held up. That is a fact. The people working on foreign policy at the embassy and at the White House were not told why it was held up, and it took them several weeks to find out it was held up. That is a fact. Holding it up served no foreign policy or national security purpose, and if fact it weakened our foreign policy and national security because it wasn't helping Ukraine fight the Russians, and it did not show that the US was strongly supporting Ukraine in the war. That is a fact. People were and are dying in the Ukrainian war against Russian invasion. That is a fact. Fighting against Russian invasion is in line with our foreign policy and it is in our national security to assist it. That is a fact. The hold on the aid was coming from the White House. That is a fact. The White House released the aid 2 days after the house announced they were investigating the hold. That is a fact. The obvious conclusion is that the White House was caught holding the aid either through incompetence or for some nefarious reason ... because if there were a valid or legal foreign policy or national security reason for withholding the aid it would not have been released. The evidence shows that a nefarious reason for withholding the aid was that Trumpty was trying to force the Ukraine president to investigate Biden and manufacture evidence to bolster the Russian propaganda of Ukraine interference in the 2016 election, and to make a pubic statement to that effect. That's also fact. Democrats had nothing to do with inventing or making up these facts, all they have done is uncover them. Anyone who watched the actual hearings would know this. NPR streamed them live and they were also on Watch Live House Proceedings | house.gov https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=c-span https://www.c-span.org/impeachment/ Those are non-network streams direct from the house. CSPAN is not partisan. Thus you can, could have, gotten the full information from the hearings direct with neither democratic or republican filter/bias editing or commentary. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So it isn't a trial, so what. Depriving Trump of the opportunity to confront his accuser is just ...barbarian. ... Complain to the GOP -- they set up the rules for House Hearings. Judge Napolitano: As frustrating as it is, Schiff is following the rules | On Air Videos | Fox News
... Why hould Trump testify at all? ... Because he could swear under oath about what he did. Because he could prove his innocence ... if he is innocent ... Hillary testified under oath for the Bengazi hearing conducted on the same rules by the GOP.
... And the more the "witnesses" talk the more obvious that ... ... he is guilty becomes. He had means, motive and opportunity. It is entirely within his standard bullying behavior.
... But protesting this "whistleblower" is just to project Schiff and those who put him up to it, and keep the truth about his anti-Trump connections from coming out. And yet everything the whistleblower said has been corroborated by the non-partisan staff that had to deal with the issue. Fox News Judge Says Evidence for Impeachment 'Overwhelming'
If you've been following the hearings, and I've only heard bits and pieces of it myelf, but you mmight have heard one of the Republicans state something about how the whistleblower's identity is well known and that he knows Schiff knows his identity too and has been lying when he says he doesn't. That's some evidence. His identity is known to everybody, I know it too. Curiously I followed the whole thing live, not bits and pieces filtered by some biased source or another. The people saying this were Jordan and Nunes. These claims have not been verified. Again, though, it does not matter who the whistleblower is because the issues raised have been verified -- what he said is/was true.
They got their aid without any quid pro quo of any sort. And Obama didn't give them any. The aid package in question was delayed by Trump Stalled Ukraine military aid concerned members of Congress for months | CNN Politics The president of Ukraine scheduled an interview/appearance on CNN The whistleblower complaint was made public The House announces an investigation Two days later the aid was delivered Then the CNN interview/appearance was cancelled Trump got caught and delivered the aid so it would not be evidence of quid pro quo ... ... but it remains a fact that that is what he tried to do. and that remains a felony. We also now see that he has done similar extortion on South Korea ... https://www.theamericanconservative.com/...xtortion-doctrine It's like he thinks this is how diplomacy is done
... just to ... keep the truth ... from coming out. You can't handle the truth. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Missiles which are stored unused hundreds of miles from the front lines, as required by the agreement,. But which are capable of utterly destroying the Russian tanks from those locations. I have this from a marine who was deployed at the front. Thus they are a deterrent from Russia using those tanks to attack the Ukranian army. They can't escalate the conflict, but they can deter it. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
This is, I think, the important bit. People keep talking about Trump withholding aid unless Ukraine launched politically-motivated investigations. But that does not seem to be quite the right interpretation from the testimony. It was less about doing any actual investigation, it was about announcing an investigation on English-language TV. This was all clearly for US-domestic consumption. Indeed. All Trumpty needed/wanted was the announcement on tv to be able to use that in his campaigns. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
In Opinion | America’s Red State Death Trip Paul Krugman writes about his analysis of longevity, wealth and health in Republican states. They're generally lower than in Democratic states. Why is this so? He said that the longevity was generally the same in 1990, but now people living in a blue state can expect to live 4 years longer than in a red state:
quote: That's a pretty significant change.
Red states had higher suicide rates. and other deaths of despair -- alcoholism and drug overdoses.
quote: and then there is obesity (ibid):
quote: Looks like they need some progressive policies ... or make true the claim that they would rather be dead than democrat. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And Trump did no such thing. And the evidence is that no investigation was announced, nor performed, ... But it was scheduled:
quote: It was cancelled by Zelenski after news broke, just like the aid was mysteriously, suddenly and without explanation or ceremony released. Connect the dots, Faith. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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