Testing The Christian Apologists

And so once again, like any Apologist, you simply misrepresent what I have said as well as what the Bible says.The issue is not what anyone believes, it was to test the Apologists and so far no one has presented any evidence that the Apologist actually acknowledge what is written in the Bible without instead creating the Bible and God in their image.You are free to follow them but so far you have not offered any support for any of them; the Apologists have failed EVERY test so far. And transformation is not shown by shouting Lord Lord but by the fruits produced. And, of course, that simply has NOTHING to do with the topic.Do you have an Apologist who actually supports the fact that what is actually written in the Bible is actually what is written in the Bible without creating so excuse to claim that it doesn't really mean what is written in the Bible?

What you and EVERY Apologist does is make up ways to deny what is actually written in the Bible, to try to find some way to convince yourselves that it is not the work of men, that is was God Breathed, that there really is some Rhema Word...the obviousness of what God means despite the evidence found in the Biblical descriptions of God found in the Bible that shows there is no Rhema Word...the obviousness of what God means.You worship and market the God YOU and the Apologists create.AbE:Phat you started this thread and the topic is "Testing The Christian Apologists".The only test you have shown so far at BEST might be an appeal to popularity in support of the Apologists. You have not shown a single example of an Apologist who actually believes the Bible says what is actually written in the Bible.The fail that test.Edited by jar, : see AbE;

The need for Apologists is only created by the desire of the Biblical inerrantists to justify the fantasy they have created that the Bible is a single book with a single purpose with a single author and that it is all about Jesus.Well, that's patently nonsense and so the Apologist makes stuff up to explain away the realities of what is and was written.The Jews understood that scripture is a collection of independent scroll; each a separate story and each meant to serve an internal and unique purpose. The Jewish Canon or TaNaKh is grouped into several assemblies; the TaNaKh is broken down into three section, the Torah which is History and Laws, the Nevi'im which is the Prophets and it has two sections, the Major and Minor Prophets and finally Ketuvim which are the Writings.The New Testament likewise is not a single unit but rather an almost parallel arrangement with the Gospels and Acts which are Histories, the Epistles that are Inter-Office Memos and the outlier Revelation that is simply strange.The actual content of each section really depends on which Christian Canon is examined because they ALL contain some differences. If you look at the Table found in Canons of the Various Christian Traditions you can get some idea of just how much variety really exists within Club Christian.The whole and sole purpose of Apologists is to create uniformity and simplicity where none really exists; to make Christianity an easy choice instead of something that really takes effort.The stories that make up any of the various Canons evolved over time and each story reflects the understanding, the purpose and the goals of the particular era and audience. They were not written for a audience thousands of years later even though they can have value and meaning to the readers today. BUT we need to look through their eyes, not our own.The earliest authors had no problems with their God being one of many Gods or their God being quite human with human fallacies and failures and weaknesses. Later authors imagined a overarching God that was perfect and powerful but aloof and apart. There were other Gods imagined, the jealous God found in the Exodus story that is simply a Character in the folk tale of how the Hebrews became a people separate and the God on WalkAbout trying to find out if the rumors he'd heard were true.Other sections outline current events and the politics and customs of both the time and social organizations for a loose confederacy of tribes to civil wars between different associations of tribes to the founding of theocracies and of monarchies, of dynastic squabbles and family feuds.There are sections outlining the Laws and social obligations of particular eras or locales or professions.There are collections of Bumper Sticker slogans.This carries on into the New Testament with recounting of the history surrounding the person called Jesus and then on the evolution of the new Jewish Jesus sect evolving into a new and separate religion.Throughout all of it though is the simple fact that each writing was meant for the immediate audience and it's purpose was relevant to that audience and reflecting the desires of that author.Edited by jar, : on ---> one

We don't have a clue who most of the authors of the stories that are included in the different Bibles might be, and that's true even when it comes to much of the New Testament. We know that the authors of Acts, Luke and Matthew either repeated material found in earlier works or stories told by anonymous sources. We find a high probability that Paul actually wrote many of the Epistle attributed to him but not all. There is no clue who wrote either Revelations or the Gospel of John.The evidence that the stories evolved is firm, concrete and conclusive. Some examples are the two different Creation tales, the two different Flood fables, the evolving tale of Paul's Conversion (outlined in Message 401) and The evolution of the Great Commission over time. over time and repetition.

Yet what I post reflects what is actually written instead of the fiction you and the Apologists create and worship.I am not aping anyone but rather actually reporting the reality of what is written and not the fantasy.See Message 401 and The evolution of the Great Commission over time. where the actual Bible writings are quoted and referenced.

Interesting since my reality is what is actually written in the Bible stories.Have you ever read the Bible Faith?Did you even read Message 401 and The evolution of the Great Commission over time. Faith?You know that folk can check to see if what I post really is what is actually written in the Bible that you call "nothing but invented bullcrap".

There has been no evidence presented that people get transformed and even if there had been that is irrelevant to the topic which is " Testing The Christian Apologists".Who created the topic?Where is there evidence that the Apologists pass any test?

Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!None of that has anything to do with the topic and is just another example of you misrepresenting what I post.You created a topic "Testing The Christian Apologists" and have presented no defense for ANY Apologists.All of the Christian Apologist fail miserably as examples of what Christianity should be but are great examples of the Carny Midway spiels.Paul's arguments changed to fit reality as prophesy after prophesy failed.

Again you continue to misrepresent what I say. I don't try to say what Christianity should be, I simply point to what the Bible says. I look at what the Apologists say about what the Bible says and compare that to what is actually written in the Bible.AbE: Phat, you know damn well I have never said you or Faith or the Wiz or anyone else who claimed to be a Christian was not a Christian. Even the Apologists are Christians.Don't even suggest that I try to define Christianity. Edited by jar, : fix quote boxEdited by jar, : see AbE

I do not misrepresent what the Bible Actually says or make claims about the Bible that are patently false and refuted by what is actually written.As long as they are trying to sell the silly notion of Biblical Inerrancy or "God Breathed" or "Single Purpose" or "that Jesus is found in the Old Testament" then yes Phat, they are all simply Carny Sideshow Spiel-men.

Yet the reality is that in the Story found in Genesis 2&3 the God character lies and the serpent tells the truth. You may not like my pointing that fact out but it is actually what is written.Yet the reality is that the God character described in Genesis 1 is entirely different than the God character in Genesis 2&3 or the God character in in Exodus or the God character in Genesis 6&7. You may not like my pointing that fact out but it is actually what is written.Yet the stories all still have value even if Jesus was just a tale told around campfires. You may not like me pointing that fact out but is is still true. Again, I don't address what Christianity should be; I understand that Christianity is simply a label chosen by people as an identity. Yes, much of Christianity does not buy what I point out, yet it is what Jesus said we should do and what is actually written in the Bible. Apologists exist to offer justification for you and many other Christians to create the religion and Bible and God that YOU desire. So you claim yet in the story found in Genesis 2&3 the God lies and the serpent tells the truth. That is what is actually what the book says.

An utterly stupid Christian would accept their lot in life. A good Christian would pull their ass out of the ditch even if it was on the Sabbath.

Social Security.
Medicaid.
Medicare.
Public Highways.
Municipal Police and Fire Departments.
Pension Funds.
Public Schools.
Public Libraries.
Bridges.
Municipal Water Systems.
Street Lights.
State Colleges.
The Internet.

Classic utter nonsense strung together as though it had any meaning at all.If the Conclusion precedes the evidence then it is just nonsense.

By acknowledging that my belief is unreasonable, illogical, irrational and unsupported. The difference is I do not twist what is actually written to try to support my beliefs.The Apologists on the other hand do twist what is actually written and even simply lie about what is actually written to try to support their beliefs.