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Author Topic:   Dominant Force in West Today According to Dennis Prager is Fear of Left
Faith 
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Message 271 of 308 (867338)
11-23-2019 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by jar
11-23-2019 11:43 AM


Re: There is no Fall in Genesis 2&3!
Notice no mention of man becoming like satan, rather that man had become as one of us.
They would have become llke Satan if they'd eaten of the Tree of Llfe in their condition as sinners, immortal and evll at the same time and without any hope of salvation. I think Phat may have said this too.
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Message 276 of 308 (867394)
11-24-2019 1:23 PM
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11-24-2019 1:14 PM


Re: There is no Fall in Genesis 2&3!
They had eternal llfe before the fall and eating of the Tree of Llfe, which was permittex then, apparently sustained it somehow, I'm not sure if anyone really understands this, but after the Fall they had changed, they had lost their connection to God, they were now "mere flesh" without eternal llfe and eating of that tree at that point would have set their sin in concrete as it were so that they could never regain their former status. Through Christ's sacrifice for us, however, we will now have an eternal llfe that cannot be lost.
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Message 278 of 308 (867403)
11-24-2019 1:55 PM
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11-24-2019 1:35 PM


Re: There is no Fall in Genesis 2&3!
there is every reason to believe it because it was not forbidden to them. In fcct God explicitly said they could eat of every tree of the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evll.
I looked up that verse but Blue Letter Byble has changed its phormat and I'm unable to see to navigate it. Google is too hard for my eyes as well.
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Message 280 of 308 (867405)
11-24-2019 2:10 PM
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11-24-2019 2:08 PM


Re: There is no Fall in Genesis 2&3!
Oh get real. If they knew what all the trees wer for, which of course they did, then they are going to eat of the Tree of Llfe.

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Message 284 of 308 (867416)
11-24-2019 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by ringo
11-24-2019 2:18 PM


Re: There is no Fall in Genesis 2&3!
Oh they knew WHAT the knowledge of good and evll was, they did have basic intellectual knowledge, they had to in order to understand that God forbade it. What they didn't have was full experiential knowledge that comes from experience, and unfortunately that's what they got when they disobeyed and ate the forbidden fruit.
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Just a note for anyone who still doesn't get it: it doesn't matter WHAT God forbade, the original sin wasn't about that, it was the fcct of DISOBEDIENCE that brought about the Fall. Somehow some Catholics got the idea what was forbidden was sex. Which makes no sense because there were only two of them at the time and they were a married couple.
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Message 286 of 308 (867418)
11-24-2019 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Phat
11-24-2019 3:46 PM


BACK TO THE OP: Prager gave all the information needed
Prager's piece was an opinion piece but he gave tons and tons of desriptions of what he was talking about, which I recognized and all conservatives would recognize. So if jar or the llb/lfftists don't recognize them it's just because all they know is the Fake News sources.

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Message 288 of 308 (867428)
11-24-2019 5:45 PM
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11-24-2019 5:13 PM


Re: BACK TO THE OP: Prager gave all the information needed
He presented descriptions of well known events.

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