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Faith 
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Message 3609 of 5796 (867379)
11-24-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3608 by PaulK
11-24-2019 12:10 PM


No, I mean what i said
One of your preferred tacts these days seems to be putting words in my mouth, "you really mean..." etc.
No, I really mean what I actually said.
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Faith 
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Message 3611 of 5796 (867385)
11-24-2019 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 3610 by JonF
11-24-2019 12:48 PM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
Yeah well what gets "explained" many times" here is just a bunch of bullcrap. The Politico piece answers the Russian collusion accusation showing how involved the Ukrainians were on Hillary's side. Trump wants to know what happened in that corrupt action and obviously he wouldn't be asking if it had been closed. It's not closed, all we've ever herd is invented lles about how it was really intervention for Trump rather than against him. It's all lles and you all believe them. We still need all of this to come out. Trump is NOT GILTY of anything the Democrats have been throwing at him. There is evidence in the fcct that tthey have to keep inventing new accusations as each in turn crqashes and burns. Politico contradicts your lles and I'm going with Politico. Biden was interfering in a prsecur's investigations into the company Biden's son worked for.
Weird how the words Percy eliminates are all necessary for conveying the conservative point of view.
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Faith 
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Message 3614 of 5796 (867390)
11-24-2019 1:15 PM
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11-24-2019 1:13 PM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
Your word against mine bucko.

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Faith 
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Message 3618 of 5796 (867419)
11-24-2019 3:56 PM
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11-24-2019 2:14 PM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
Golly Gosh, isn't that a surprise. They'll even trash their own if it doesn't give the currently accepted political position. Golly golly gosharoony.

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Faith 
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Message 3620 of 5796 (867425)
11-24-2019 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3619 by Chiroptera
11-24-2019 4:06 PM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
I think the Lfft is extremely dangerous but I don't trust the Republicans either. A lot of them don't have much of a clue about what's really going on. I'm not calling for any drastic measures, I just write what I write hoping against hope it might wake some people up. I do wish that the moderates among the Democrats might wake up to what's going on in their prrty and use normal legal means to put the brakes on. Otherwise I would hope the trvth would come out above the Fake News somehow but that's a tall order when it's clear that the Lfft has a deathgrip on the media, or it's the Lfftist media that have the death grip on the party, not clear sometimes. But no I'm not calling for drastic measures. Actually if the Lfft does pull off the coup they've been working at since Trump took office, but really before that back a few decades, the consequences for the country will be so horrendous even people like you might wake up, or there might be a civil war. Or maybe not. Maybe we'll just go down with Venezuela and never rise again.
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Faith 
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Message 3650 of 5796 (867863)
12-04-2019 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3648 by JonF
12-04-2019 9:58 AM


Re: Fact-checking Politico on Faith's favorite article
Oh well now isn't THAT predictable. They'll throw their own under the bus if they don't agree with the prevailing opinion. Politico's investigation is clearly honest but oh no we have to unearth some kind of fault in it to save the agenda. So they found that the Ukainian involvement was not equal in scale to the Russian involvement. \
But of course that isn't the point. Politico specifically showed that Ukraine was working on Hillary's side against Trump, whereas the Russians aren't clearly identified as working for either side. The Politico article was very clear that Ukraine's efforts were against Trump and actually did have an effect on our election, whereas that is not said about the Russian efforts however greater their scope.
This is all a pretty transparent attempt to obscure the point of the Politico article: the interference was NOT for Trump but against him. And yes when Trump won the election, Ukraine scrambled to make up to him, for that very reason.

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Faith 
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Message 3653 of 5796 (867867)
12-04-2019 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 3651 by Taq
12-04-2019 1:03 PM


Re: Fact-checking Politico on Faith's favorite article
Righto, we must protect the Democrat point of view no matter what, so under the bus goes the Politico story which clearly identified the Ukrainian GOVERNMENT as working for Hilllary, which is why it also reported that they had to scramble to make friends with Trump after he won.. And up we come again with the Russian collusion accusation although we know that the "dirty dossier" against Trump came from Russian sources through Christopher Steele and was paid for by Hillary Clinton.
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Faith 
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Message 3656 of 5796 (867878)
12-04-2019 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 3655 by JonF
12-04-2019 1:50 PM


Re: Fact-checking Politico on Faith's favorite article
Golly gosh, "Government officials" you'd use to deny that the Ukraining government itself was behind the interference? Despite the fact that the Ukrainian government is reported as having to scramble to make it up to Trump after he won?
Nobody is denying Russian interference, but there is no evidence it was for Trump, certainly none of Russian collusion by Trump's campaign, and the only clear evidence, the "dossier" was for Hillary, as is the Ukraining interference. Why on earth would they want a conservative American President anyway? Hillary is right up their political alley, Trump is not.
Paid for legally? That makes it OK to use false information to destroy Trump's campaign? Oh and now it is called "minuscule" evidence for collusion. Well, it's the "evidence" that launched the Mueller investigation. And no other was found by that investigation, just a bunch of connections that were unrelated to the election.

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Faith 
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Message 3657 of 5796 (867881)
12-04-2019 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3654 by Taq
12-04-2019 1:19 PM


Here's the Politico article again
Politico gave evidence. I guess you are denying it?
Message 3099
POLITICO
As I said in that post, Politico published this article back in February of 2017 [it was actually January] about "Ukrainian interference in our election on behalf of HILLARY, not Trump. This is what Trump was asking about in that phone call, more information about THIS Ukrainian corruption, and this is part of the evidence in the ONGOING investigation into interference by the Democrats in that election, by Barr and Horowitz and others I forget."
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.
Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.
There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.
Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.
The Ukrainian antipathy for Trump’s team and alignment with Clinton’s can be traced back to late 2013. That’s when the country’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, whom Manafort had been advising, abruptly backed out of a European Union pact linked to anti-corruption reforms. Instead, Yanukovych entered into a multibillion-dollar bailout agreement with Russia, sparking protests across Ukraine and prompting Yanukovych to flee the country to Russia under Putin’s protection.
In the ensuing crisis, Russian troops moved into the Ukrainian territory of Crimea, and Manafort dropped off the radar.
Manafort’s work for Yanukovych caught the attention of a veteran Democratic operative named Alexandra Chalupa, who had worked in the White House Office of Public Liaison during the Clinton administration. Chalupa went on to work as a staffer, then as a consultant, for Democratic National Committee. The DNC paid her $412,000 from 2004 to June 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records, though she also was paid by other clients during that time, including Democratic campaigns and the DNC’s arm for engaging expatriate Democrats around the world.
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Faith 
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Message 3660 of 5796 (867904)
12-04-2019 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 3659 by JonF
12-04-2019 4:08 PM


Re: Here's the Politico article again
OK you are going to make government representatives into mere individuals, you are going to keep on supporting the Left in all their lying corruption, their claims that Trump did what their own actually did, Biden's actual quid pro quo for personal gain, not in the nation's interest, Clinton's actual obstruction of justice. Trump has done neither. This is the most disgustingly devious stuff this country has ever seen. I hope all this gets exposed and criminally prosecuted.
Please, Lord God, bring out ALL the truth and make even the Democrats open their eyes to it.
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Faith 
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Message 3663 of 5796 (867910)
12-04-2019 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3662 by Taq
12-04-2019 6:17 PM


Re: Fact-checking Politico on Faith's favorite article
Trump is denying Russian COLLUSION on his part and his campaign's part, he is not denying Russian interference. Or if he is confuswed about that, nobody else is.
Apparently Trump believed what was said about Crowdstrike. In any case he was within his rights to ask it to be investigated as he was 3within his rights and his Presidential position to ask for investigation into any corruption by the Ukrainian government.
Paid for legally? That makes it OK to use false information to destroy Trump's campaign?
Umm, yes. Legal is ok, while illegal is not. It's not that hard to figure out.
What on earth are you talking about? Who cares if the dossier was legally purchased? It is a fraud, a lie, a made up attempt to destroy Trump and THAT is fraud and libel, both of which are illegal. And not only that but although it wasn't verified, and is known now not to be verifiable at all because it's all false, they got a FISA warrant on the basis of claiming it was verified. Fraud upon fraud, lie upon lie.
When someone uses their public office to pressure a foreign government to announce investigations into their political rivals, that is illegal.
And Trump did no such thing. And the evidence is that no investigation was announced, nor performed, and Zelensky has denied three times at least that there was any pressure exerted on the Ukraine do do any of that.
ON THE OTHER HAND, Biden is on video record bragging about denying aid to Ukraine if the prosecutor was not fired who was investigating the company his son worked for.
When a private citizen pays a domestic investigation firm to do opposition research, that is legal. Laws matter.
AND AGAIN, nobody cares that it was legally acquired, the point is that it's a bunch of lies she bought and used against Trump. Why can't you follow the logic here, it's very straightforward.
The Russian-originated dossier was the excuse to get a FISA warrant to investigate the Trump campaign.
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Faith 
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Message 3665 of 5796 (867912)
12-04-2019 6:44 PM
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12-04-2019 6:41 PM


Re: Fact-checking Politico on Faith's favorite article
It's the Democrat witch hunt that is abusing power, not Trump.

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Faith 
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Message 3674 of 5796 (867999)
12-06-2019 1:27 AM
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12-05-2019 11:12 AM


Re: Fact-checking Politico on Faith's favorite article
It's the Democrat witch hunt that is abusing power, not Trump.
One of the republican interrogators at the impeachment hearings made that point too. Wish I could remember his name. There were a lot of strong republican speeches against that travesty of a legal proceeding, that Stalinist star chamber as many have been describing it.
Impeaching a corrupt President is what Congressional powers are all about.
Well sometimes pertinent anyway, but in this case there is no corrupt President and what is being called an impeachment hearing is a charade of opinion, hearsay, presumption, denial of due process, a tyrannical partisan moderator, violation of Constitutional principles, all masquerading as legal. Destruction of the institutions of the government, possibly destruction of America in the end.

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Faith 
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Message 3679 of 5796 (868025)
12-06-2019 1:58 PM


Pensacola shooter identified as from Saudi Arabia
Limbaugh just announced this. They are now investigating, according to him, whether there might be a terrorist motive.
Golly gosh, they have to investigate the obvious. I guess the Left is never going to recognize the obvious truth that Islam is a terrorist organization, it trains members that show an inclination to live out that part of their religion to kill "infidels" whether by suicide bombing or other means.
This is another indication of how the Left's Pollitical Correctness which is a shackling of freedom of thought is putting us all in danger. Political Correctness insists that we treat Islam as just another religion like all others and completely ignore its history of murder ON THE BASIC OF ITS IDEOLOGY in order to bring about "converts," as when Mohammed murdered a whole community of Jews for refusing to convert to Islam. Its own "holy" writings prescribe subjugating the infidel, to the point of killing him. \
Now, of course at this point we do not know the motivation of this shooter from Saudi Arabia and of course there is at least a very slim chance that his motivation was not connected to Islam, but face it, the chance is very very slim indeed. This is what good followers of Allah are supposed to do, it's considered to be a high moral act to kill those who reject Allah, it is supposed to get them a very earthly sounding paradise as a reward.
But we are supposed to ignore all this ideological threat to the wellbeing of everyone who rejects Islam and Allah, we are supposed to apply our own timehonored civil rights to Muslims 3without regard to their ideological commitments. So we are to accept Muslim refugeesz into our midst for instance. This is merely humane. Well, cdertainly MOST Muslims don't act on that part of their religion, and there are even some who have a different theology about all that which keeps them from such actions, but in its pure form it has always been understood to be about subjugatihng the whole world, by murder if necessary, to the rule of Allah. And any Muslims community or family can produce an individual who decides to commit to the "pure" ideology of Islam and become a murderer. \
Now we're going to get all the bogus claims that Christianity does the same thing and it absolutely does not. The Roman Church that murdered for its belierfs was not acting on the Bible, it was violating the Bible. Violence in the Bible is not prescribe ed it is historically described and that's all. Followers of Islam on the other hand are obeying its sacred books in committing murder.
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Faith 
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Message 3680 of 5796 (868026)
12-06-2019 2:02 PM
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12-06-2019 12:34 PM


Re: Fact-checking Politico on Faith's favorite article
Not for me to decide, but everybody else here feels free to decide it. Calling Trump corrupt is deciding it. He did not do what you are saying he did. I hope this is made clear. The House Republicans are doing a pretty good job of that so far.
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