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JonF
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Message 3505 of 4573 (864776)
10-16-2019 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3498 by ICANT
10-16-2019 11:26 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
you are a mind reader now.
No, just a native English speaker who can draw obvious conclusions.
There is no quid pro quo if so state what it was.]
I want weapons.
I want a favor.
If there was no quid pro quo Trump would have talked about weapons.
There was a request for help in an on going DOJ investigation to help the Attorney General.
There was and is no ongoing investigation in either Ukraine or the US. (ABE on Biden. Barr is conducting an "investigation" of the origins of the Russia investigation and the unanimous conclusion of our intelligence agencies and the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia interfered in 2016). The Invention of the Conspiracy Theory on Biden and Ukraine tells the story well:
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For those who recall the Clinton Cash controversy, the baseless tales claiming that Biden corruptly intervened on behalf of his son’s Ukrainian business interests feel a lot like the movie Groundhog Day. In March of 2018, Schweizer and the Government Accountability Institute once again produced a book that was perfectly timed for the Presidential campaign. Secret Empires devoted a chapter to the subject of Bidens in Ukraine, which laid out the conflicts of interest posed by the wheeling and dealing of Biden’s son Hunter. (An additional chapter laid out Hunter Biden’s business deals in China.) As the book recounted, in 2014, Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, took a profitable post on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company run by a shady oligarch, while his father, who was then the Vice-President, handled a drive to rid Ukraine of corruption. Other news organizations, including the Times and the Wall Street Journal, had already run stories on the same unethical-seeming morass. (In July, The New Yorker published a piece about the relationship between Joe and Hunter Biden that dismissed allegations of any illegality in the Ukraine matter but included some concerns from Obama Administration officials that Hunter could potentially undermine his father’s work.)
But Schweizer went a step further. His chapter implied not just that Burisma was a crooked company but that the end of a Ukrainian criminal investigation into it on January 12, 2017, was in some unstated way connected to Joe Biden’s visit to the country four days later. In this way, Schweizer floated the possibility that, as Vice-President, Biden had abused his power to protect the company or his son from prosecution. Yet Schweizer provided no proof of causation nor evidence of illegality.
No place in the phone call is an upcoming election mentionedl
A candidate was mentioned.
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Message 3506 of 4573 (864778)
10-16-2019 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3500 by vimesey
10-16-2019 11:46 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Your false assumption is that meaning, intent and understanding can only be conveyed through the literal interpretation of language.
A common affliction among fundies and RWNJs.

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Message 3507 of 4573 (864779)
10-16-2019 2:33 PM
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10-16-2019 2:03 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
What you think a person's intentions are does not matter. Only what they say and do matters.
It's often easy to discern intentions accurately. As in Trump’s conversation with Zelenski.
But when the rubber meets the road what people do is the final arbiter, not what they say.
The current administration is conducting massive transfers of wealth to the rich and corporations, actively working to destroy our environment, tearing down the social safety net, and many other despicable attacks on our culture including actively spreading loony conspiracy theories.
And they have stated that if there is a second term. Medicare and Social Security are on the chopping block. I hope you don't rely on either of those.

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Message 3509 of 4573 (864790)
10-16-2019 5:12 PM


Even Leningrad Lindsey

  
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Message 3534 of 4573 (865638)
10-28-2019 3:45 PM


Pelosi announces vote on moving impeachment proceedings to the public phase
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Democrats have announced the US House of Representatives will vote on formal impeachment procedures Thursday.

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Message 3591 of 4573 (866539)
11-12-2019 1:37 PM


Increasing pollution
As quoted at Hullabaloo:
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A new draft of the Environmental Protection Agency proposal, titled Strengthening Transparency in Regulatory Science, would require that scientists disclose all of their raw data, including confidential medical records, before the agency could consider an academic study’s conclusions. E.P.A. officials called the plan a step toward transparency and said the disclosure of raw data would allow conclusions to be verified independently...
The measure would make it more difficult to enact new clean air and water rules because many studies detailing the links between pollution and disease rely on personal health information gathered under confidentiality agreements. And, unlike a version of the proposal that surfaced in early 2018, this one could apply retroactively to public health regulations already in place.
Original source E.P.A. to Limit Science Used to Write Public Health Rules - The New York Times

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Message 3597 of 4573 (867240)
11-22-2019 3:17 PM


Trump destroying our Asian alliances
Lost in the shuffle: China signs defence agreement with South Korea as US angers Seoul with demand for $5bn troop payment
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The defence ministers of South Korea and China have agreed to develop their security ties to ensure stability in north-east Asia, the latest indication that Washington’s long-standing alliances in the region are fraying.
On the sidelines of regional security talks in Bangkok on Sunday, Jeong Kyeong-doo, the South Korean minister of defence, and his Chinese counterpart, Wei Fenghe, agreed to set up more military hotlines and to push ahead with a visit by Mr Jeong to China next year to foster bilateral exchanges and cooperation in defence, South Korea’s defence ministry said.
Seoul’s announcement coincided with growing resentment at the $5 billion (3.9bn) annual fee that Washington is demanding to keep 28,500 US troops in South Korea...
Daniel Pinkston, a professor of international relations at the Seoul campus of Troy University, was more blunt in his assessment.
It’s just extortion, he told The Telegraph. It’s little more than a mob boss going around and demanding protection money. The numbers that the US is demanding are politically impossible for Seoul and Tokyo to swallow and that is just fuelling resentment."
Trump's the best friend Russia and China ever had. Think of whar he could do if he was on our side!

  
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Message 3604 of 4573 (867503)
11-26-2019 11:02 AM


Words from the moron

  
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Message 3605 of 4573 (867521)
11-26-2019 8:20 PM


Giuliani is underbussed
Trump Denies Directing Rudy Giuliani To Conduct Ukraine Shadow Diplomacy | HuffPost Latest News
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No, I didn’t direct him, but he is a warrior, he is a warrior, Trump told O’Reilly.
When O’Reilly asked the president what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine on his behalf, Trump said, you have to ask that to Rudy.
Rudy has other clients other than me, Trump said, adding that he knew his personal attorney was going to Ukraine at one point but canceled the trip.

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JonF
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Message 3618 of 4573 (867563)
11-27-2019 7:22 PM
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11-27-2019 4:11 PM


Re: The Broader reason for impeachment -- from the Founding Fathers
McConnell and Trump are far from the only ones.

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Message 3620 of 4573 (867605)
11-28-2019 4:32 PM


Bringing us together at Thanksgiving

  
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Message 3621 of 4573 (867643)
11-29-2019 10:02 PM


The September 9th call that never was
There was no September 9th call between Trump and Sondland. And the reason why they said there was is damning.
Here’s the Proof that Trump’s No Quid Pro Quo Call Never Happened
quote:
At the heart of the impeachment inquiry, members of Congress may have been mistakenly led to believe that there were two phone calls between President Donald Trump and Ambassador Gordon Sondland in early Septemberwith the second call having the possibility of helping the President’s case. That’s not what happened. There was only one call, and it was highly incriminating.
The call occurred on September 7th. In this call, Trump did say there was no quid pro quo with Ukraine, but he then went on to outline his preconditions for releasing the security assistance and granting a White House visit. The call was so alarming that when John Bolton learned of it, he ordered his’ deputy Tim Morrison to immediately report it to the National Security Council lawyers.
Sondland has testified there was a call on September 9th in which Trump said there was no quid pro quo, but that he wanted President Zelenskyy to do the right thing. A close reading of the publicly available evidence shows that the latter call was actually the very one that sent Morrison to the lawyers, and that Ambassador Bill Taylor foregrounded in his written deposition to inform Congress of the quid pro quo.

  
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Message 3623 of 4573 (867703)
12-01-2019 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 3622 by RAZD
12-01-2019 4:55 PM


Re: Interference with the JURY? Recusal of tampered senators?
Hell, the jury already met with the accused to plan the trial.

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Message 3660 of 4573 (868100)
12-07-2019 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3656 by Percy
12-06-2019 4:01 PM


Re: Democrats Should Accept Advice of Republican Witness
There's effectively four levels of courts since appeals courts start with a three judge panel but the loser can ask for en banc.

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Message 3667 of 4573 (868167)
12-07-2019 7:29 PM


Digby raises a scary possibility at Trump hears Rudy got "a lot of good information" over there in Ukraine:
quote:
I think we have to gird ourselves for the possibility that McConnell will not be able to contain the circus in the Senate and the president's henchmen will be unleashed to run this "parallel" impeachment of Joe Biden.
This is the Trump administration. How can we possibly assume that this won't turn into the most surreal political event we've ever seen? Every political event is the most surreal political event we've ever seen.
It could happen.
Apparently Trump wants Rudy to report to Congress

  
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