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Author Topic:   Christianity is Morally Bankrupt
AZPaul3
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Message 333 of 652 (867566)
11-27-2019 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
11-27-2019 4:22 PM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
Thug,
Of course the way you were taught is mainstream to you because that is the way you were taught. Of course it all makes sense to you because that is the way you were taught.
But we are talking Christianity, here. From Jesus as man or as divine, salvation through works or grace, crossing left-to-right, right-to-left or not at all, Christianity is as fragmented as a rock quarry. There are thousands of mainstreams. Yours is but one of many.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 372 of 652 (867614)
11-29-2019 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 370 by Phat
11-29-2019 4:25 AM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
What makes you conclude that an all-powerful God has a moral obligation to use His power to make your life perfect and pain-free?
You can endow your gods with any attributes you may desire as long as you are logically consistent in their application.
Any gods that would purposefully create *this* world of morbid depravity in which to place their greatest creation with the prospect of a large percentage of that flock being denied the still small voice and thus are to be tortured for all eternity, are not ones to be revered as infinitely loving, caring, forgiving, but are ones to be reviled as hateful, blood thirsty and evil.
We do not insist your gods act in accord with our moral views. You can make them as evil or loving as you so desire. But, if you insist your gods are responsible for this world and all that’s in it then we will judge them according to the realities we find in this world.
If you insist that *your* gods created this world in these terms then you must accept that your gods are the greatest evil in the universe.

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Message 426 of 652 (867707)
12-01-2019 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by GDR
12-01-2019 6:30 PM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
With that in mind I then can only believe that God has limitations in His relation to this world. But I also believe that this life is a prelude to the life that you and Tangle complain that we don't have now.
So it makes sense to you that your gods are powerful enough they can make a fantasy world, an after-life world, free of the morbid depravity of this actual live-reality world but are too powerless to do so in this real world? Really?
I think you’re reaching for something that isn’t there. Trying to justify something that has no reality.
This is the smoke in front of the mirrors.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 459 of 652 (867802)
12-03-2019 12:47 PM
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12-03-2019 12:12 PM


Re: Mainstream Christian Belief
ringo writes:
I'm saying that's what the evidence shows. There is no evidence that the mind is separate from the brain.
Well there is and I linked it in my last post.
No there isn't. Your own source said so.
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Obviously, despite his impressive body of research into this subject, there is no current way to empirically establish the validity of Fenwick’s cosmic consciousness hypothesis. Ultimately, it aligns more with faith than science. Thus it seems the answer to the question in this post’s title is No. There is no empirically established explanatory framework for understanding how consciousness can exist independently and outside of the brain.

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