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PaulK
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Message 2 of 52 (86762)
02-16-2004 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by NosyNed
02-16-2004 6:31 PM


Piltdown Man is about the only possibility - even Archaeoraptor was perpetrated by a fossil seller out for money and was exposed by evolutionists BEFORE the peer review process on the relevant papers were completed. Even in the case of Piltdown man the motives of the hoaxer are unclear - one suggestion was that it was an attempt to discredit Dawson but the hoaxer got cold feet.
On the other hand there are fakes and mistakes that creationists have used - the Paluxy tracks include both. One fake is the so-called Burdick track still promoted by creationists here http://www.bible.ca/tracks/burdick-track.htm and debunked here http://members.aol.com/Paluxy2/wilker5.htm

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Message 16 of 52 (86990)
02-17-2004 12:22 PM
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02-17-2004 11:51 AM


Re: Haeckel
As Gould states this issue has little relevance to evolutionary theory:
quote:
From the very beginning of this frenzied discussion two years ago, I have been thoroughly mystified as to what, beyond simple ignorance or self-serving design, could ever have inspired the creators of the sensationalized version to claim that Haeckel's exposure challenges Darwinian theory or even evolution itself. After all, Haeckel used these drawings to support his theory of recapitulation--the claim that embryos repeat successive adult stages of their ancestry. For reasons elaborated at excruciating length in my Ontogeny and Phylogeny, Darwinian science conclusively disproved and abandoned this idea by 1910 or so, despite its persistence in popular culture. Obviously, neither evolution nor Darwinian theory needs the support of a doctrine so conclusively disconfirmed from within.

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Message 37 of 52 (87510)
02-19-2004 1:50 PM
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02-19-2004 12:26 PM


Re: classification
That doesn't seem right. As I understand it cladistics puts birds in with crocodiles and dinosaurs - and lizards and snakes in a different branch.
Doing a little more rresearch it seems that the order of the divisions is :
fish
amphibia
turtles
mammals
lizards & snakes
crocodiles
birds

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Message 40 of 52 (87545)
02-19-2004 3:09 PM
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02-19-2004 1:58 PM


Re: classification
I wasn't trying to present formal taxonomy, rather to give a list of the branchings showing where the groupings would be.
If I wanted better I would start with the Tree of Life project
Tree of Life Web Project
The Reptilia includes the Anapsids (including turtles), and the Romeriida which includes the Diapsids. Under the diapsids we (eventually) come to the Sauria which includes Archosauormorpha under which are the Archosaurs (including crocodiles, birds and dinosaurs),
Also under Sauria are the Lepidosauromorpha including the Lepidosauria under which are the Squamata (lizards and snakes).
Amniota

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