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Chiroptera
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Message 3600 of 5796 (867368)
11-24-2019 8:39 AM


Calvin Trillin, deadline poet
Lindsey Graham, Legal Scholar
The cops have stormed a bank in time to snare
The robbers. Caught red-handed, they’re still there.
Their trial would hinge, per Lindsey Graham’s quotes,
On who called 911 and how he votes.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

  
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Message 3601 of 5796 (867370)
11-24-2019 9:06 AM


Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
Paul Krugman's column from Friday:
Trump and His Corrupt Old Party
Paul Krugman expresses his concerns about the viability of democracy in a nation where one major party remains committed to its own permanent rule and delegitimation of the opposition; concerns that will persist even if the Democrats win the Presidency and both Houses of Congress.
Formally, the House of Representatives is holding an inquiry into the question of whether Donald J. Trump should be impeached....
[W]hat we’re actually witnessing is a test of the depths to which the Republican Party will sink.
And his observation is one we've been seeing here on EvC:
On one side, I don’t think most observers realize, even now, the extent to which many Republicans view their domestic opponents not as fellow citizens but as enemies with no legitimate right to govern.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3619 of 5796 (867421)
11-24-2019 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3604 by Faith
11-24-2019 11:58 AM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
Yes it is the Democrats trying to destroy the Repubic and just about succeeding already....
So do you believe that the Democrats and "the Left" should be destroyed first?
Do you believe the Republicans should do anything and everything to gain and maintain power, even use methods that are contrary to ordinary small-d democratic norms?
Added by edit:
Having just reread this post, I feel I should add a clarification:
I'm not trying to put words into your mouth. I'm curious about how dangerous you think the Left is and what extraordinary measures you think the Republicans are justified taking.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3627 of 5796 (867467)
11-25-2019 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 3620 by Faith
11-24-2019 4:33 PM


Re: Paul Krugman: Republicans really hate their opponents
A lot of them [the Republicans] don't have much of a clue about what's really going on.
Boy, ain't that the truth!
I'm not calling for any drastic measures....
Fair enough.
I'm still kind of curious, though, what you think about - just to pick one example that has been discussed on this board - North Carolina Republicans' attempt to extreme gerrymand their election districts.
Do you think it's perfectly acceptable behavior for any majority party?
Do you think it violates basic democratic norms but is necessary to combat evil Leftists?
Do you think that it's inexcusably poor behavior for anyone to do regardless of reason?
Or do you have another take altogether?
Actually if the Left does pull off the coup they've been working at since Trump took office....
What coup? Surely not the impeachment? Even if the Senate were to remove Trump from office, Pence would be President, not some Leftist.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3638 of 5796 (867694)
12-01-2019 2:41 PM


The Shoe on the Other Foot: Chick-fil-A Edition
From the Guardian:
Chick-fil-A faces rightwing backlash after cutting ties to Christian groups
This hasn't been recent news except that it's ongoing.
Some years ago, Chick-fil-A made news when it became involved with several conservative Christian organizations, especially anti-same sex marriage activities.
Now there seems to be a change in heart. And conservatives aren't happy.
Leading US conservatives have turned on the fast-food restaurant chain Chick-fil-A after the company decided to cut its ties to two Christian groups that have long opposed same-sex marriage.
To compound rightwingers' fury, it has also emerged via tax filings that Chick-fil-A donated to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a civil rights advocacy organization, in 2017. The SPLC has a lengthy record of supporting LGBTQ+ and abortion rights.
(The Christian groups mentioned are the Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.)
Conservative Christians are now in a search for a new Jesus friendly fast food.
"It’s time for Christians to find a fast-food alternative to Chick-fil-A," said Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council organization. "Not only has Chick-fil-A abandoned donations to Christian groups including the Salvation Army, it has donated to one of the most extreme anti-Christian groups in America."

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3670 of 5796 (867963)
12-05-2019 11:22 AM


Witch hunts
Funny thing about that idiom in English.
When they find actual witches and turn up plenty of evidence of actual witchcraft, then it's not really a "witch hunt".

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

  
Chiroptera
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Message 3696 of 5796 (868047)
12-06-2019 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3679 by Faith
12-06-2019 1:58 PM


Re: Pensacola shooter identified as from Saudi Arabia
Remember, kids:
When a Muslim commits an act of terrorism, it's because Islam is a cult of death and all Muslims are dangerous fanatics and it's folly to let them run around free.
But when anti-immigration right-winger shoots a group of people, he is just an isolated crazy person and is in no way indicative of anything about current American conservatism. And besides, it's still the Democrats' fault.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3714 of 5796 (868078)
12-06-2019 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3713 by JonF
12-06-2019 7:07 PM


Re: Republicans in Ohio win Nobel in stupidity
Isn't that what the Migrant Caravan is planning? Performing abortions on white women while raping and robbing and collecting food stamps?

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3720 of 5796 (868103)
12-07-2019 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 3704 by Hyroglyphx
12-06-2019 4:20 PM


Re: Pensacola shooter identified as from Saudi Arabia
I mean, hell, they're out there doing the wet work Christians no longer have the stomach for.
That by itself is worth a "cheers".
But you should also know that just as there are different kinds of Christians, there really are different kinds of Muslims.
That is what the fundamentalists don't recognize. They don't believe that there are different kinds of Christians. The only "true" Christians are the ones who believe in exactly the same narrow interpretation of their dogmas that they do. Everyone else is a "false" Christian.
But your basic point is correct. Not everyone who calls themself a Christian and quotes the Bible is a "true" Christian, but everyone who calls themself a Muslim and quotes the Quran believes exactly the same thing and is a potential suicide bomber.
Always remember: labels like Christian and Muslim aren't used by extremists to describe real life phenomena to understand the world in which we live; they are more akin to Orwell's "Newspeak": meaningless vocalizations to enable the "duckspeakers" to reflexively react to the news without any deep thought.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3776 of 5796 (868284)
12-10-2019 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 3775 by Hyroglyphx
12-09-2019 11:59 PM


Re: More Trump Attack/Insult Tweets
For one thing, FOX news IS mainstream media... its literally one of the Big 4. Doesn't get any more mainstream than that.
Hmm. Now that is an interesting point.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3779 of 5796 (868289)
12-10-2019 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 3777 by PaulK
12-10-2019 7:46 AM


Re: More Trump Attack/Insult Tweets
And if the people who voted for the President approved of that abuse they would consider it grounds for grave concern for the nation.
Especially considering that the people who voted for Trump weren't even a plurality of voters.
On the other hand, the Founders never intended for people to vote for President; the electors were to be chosen by the state legislatures who were elected by people who owned property. Bringing in the intent of the Founders is kind of weird.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3780 of 5796 (868290)
12-10-2019 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 3777 by PaulK
12-10-2019 7:46 AM


Re: More Trump Attack/Insult Tweets
On the other hand, we should always keep in mind that when a "constitutionalist" or "originalist" talks about the "intents" of the Founders, it's almost always a bunch of make-believe to avoid having to admit that their constitutional interpretations are every bit as subjective and arbitrary as everyone else's.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3786 of 5796 (868301)
12-10-2019 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3782 by PaulK
12-10-2019 11:08 AM


Re: More Trump Attack/Insult Tweets
When someone calls themself a "constitutional originalist", it's kind of like someone calling themself a "Biblical literalist": they're telegraphing you that you're about to hear cherry-picked text, out of context quotes, and inaccurate history chosen to lead to their desired conclusion.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Müller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3886 of 5796 (868702)
12-17-2019 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3879 by PaulK
12-15-2019 5:08 PM


Re: More Trump Attack/Insult Tweets
quote:
The Electoral College reflects the will of the American people, not mobs in inner cities of California.
Well now we know that you don’t like democracy.
Yeah, I did a spit-take when I read this, too.
But it does express the beliefs of the white nationalist core of Trump's supporters. The "American people" are the conservative, evangelical white nationalists, even when they don't make up more than 40% of the public. The rest of us are, at best, "mobs" who need to be marginalized and perhaps tolerated. At worst, we're traitors who should be eliminated.

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Mller

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Chiroptera
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Message 3890 of 5796 (868730)
12-17-2019 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 3888 by Faith
12-17-2019 1:51 PM


Re: More Trump Attack/Insult Tweets
...And remember, we are the "deplorables" and the "smelly Walmart shoppers"....
But it's okay to call you "deplorables" since it's okay for marc9000 to call people who live in coastal urban areas" inner city mobs", right?
Or are you saying you don't like being called a "deplorable" so you agree marc9000 is being kind of a dick?
They were not enamoured of democracy. That's why they gave us the Electoral College....
So you're agreeing with me that marc9000 was being a bit silly when he called Trump's Electoral College win "the will of the people"?

For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Mller

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