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RAZD
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Message 1 of 43 (867692)
12-01-2019 1:31 PM


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Mueller Report Download Options

Download the Full Original PDF

The original report is published at https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf.

It is 448 pages, 139mb and contains both volumes, all as images(Not searchable).

Download Individual Chapters

We have split and re-merged each chapter individually for convenience.

This is great for mobile devices and users who want to focus on a small piece of the total report.

Volume I
  • Russian Active Measures Social Media Campaign
    • Structure of the Internet Research Agency [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Funding and Oversight from Concord and Prigozhin [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The IRA Targets U.S. Elections [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Russian Hacking and Dumping Operations
    • GRU Hacking Directed at the Clinton Campaign [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Dissemination of the Hacked Materials [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Additional GRU Cyber Operations [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Trump Campaign and the Dissemination of Hacked Materials [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Russian Government Links to and Contacts With the Trump Campaign
    • Campaign Period [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Post-Election and Transition-Period Contacts [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Prosecution and Declination Decisions
    • Russian "Active Measures" Social Media Campaign [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Russian Hacking and Dumping Operations [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Russian Government Outreach and Contacts [ View Online] [ Download]

Volume II
  • Background Legal and Evidentiary Principles
    • Legal Framework of Obstruction of Justice [ View Online] [ Download]
      Investigative and Evidentiary Considerations [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Factual Results of the Obstruction Investigation
    • The Campaign's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBI's Russia Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Directory Comey [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Efforts to Prevent Disclosure of Emails About the June 9, 2016 Meeting Between Russians and Senior Campaign Officials [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort, [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Overarching Factual Issues [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Legal Defenses to the Application of the Obstruction-of-Justice Statues to the President
    • Statutory Defenses to the Application of Obstruction-of-Justice Provisions to the Conduct Under Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Constitutional Defenses to Applying Obstruction-of-Justice Statutes to Presidential Conduct [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Conclusion

Note: Each Chapter and subchapter can be individually downloaded or viewed online if you go to the volume links.

Facts, not conspiracy theory fantasy pushed by GOP apologists and deniers.

Read them, heed them, as you wish, but don't ignore them or dismiss them or you lose the argument.

Enjoy

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Message 3 of 43 (867741)
12-02-2019 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
12-01-2019 1:31 PM


the conclusion
quote:
IV. CONCLUSION

Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same- time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


Mueller Report Page 394 of 448

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Message 29 of 43 (867787)
12-03-2019 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
12-02-2019 2:32 PM


if this were Obama instead of Trump, what would you say.
Faith, I agree

That is a bunch of weasel words with no legal standing whatever. ...

The conclusion was a bunch of weasel words to get around - imho - the restriction AG Barr put on the probe to not indict a sitting president. Barr was their boss, so they had to comply.

... They were unable to prove obstruction of justice (or any involvement with Russia to affect the election) ...

No. Sadly they were not allowed to pursue indictments for the 12 cases of obstruction of justice they discovered evidence for, and they were not allowed to pursue indictments for the instances of involvement with Russia to affect the election --- by AG Barr and his insistence that a sitting president could no be indicted. Barr was their boss, so they had to comply.

Not being allowed to indict means the cases could not be tested in court, not that they were unable to prove them. You can't prove or disprove a case you are not allowed to pursue.

All they could do was report their findings, listing each case where they found evidence, and leave it to congress to determine whether or not congress should proceed with impeachment to try those cases.

... and what that means legally is that he is not guilty and what THAT means in plain English is that he is exonerated.

No it doesn't. You are grasping prematurely at straws of imagination. What you have demonstrated in this (and your following posts) is that you can't handle the truth, even when it is simple.

Starr was not hampered by an AG with an unorthodox concept of excessive presidential rights that was trying to stop him, and even still he didn't prove the cases of obstruction of justice that he gave to the congress, he gave them a list of incidences which they used to write up articles of impeachment and which were then tried in the Senate.

Where we are with the Mueller report and with the investigation by the House is assembling what charges will be included in the articles of impeachment. You can't jump ahead of that.

We now have the unusual case where the accused has been given (after much whining and whimpering and pounding of his flabby chest) an opportunity to participate in that decision on what will be included in the articles of impeachment ... unusual because normally an accused purported perpetrator is not given a chance to discuss what he is being charged with by the prosecutor. Immaterial now, because coward Dumbty Trumpty had his bluff called and he passed.

Trump has been given plenty of opportunities to provide exculpatory evidence if he has any. Again he has not taken that opportunity, likely because he doesn't have any.

We also have the unusual case where the accused purported perpetrator is given a chance to discuss how the trial will be run with the jury (Senate), that he has also wined and dined. In any normal legal trial this would be called tampering with the jury. In common ordinary terminology this is corrupt.

This is serious, Faith, and you need to come out of your shell and look at the facts and the evidence and ask yourself: if this were Obama instead of Trump, what would you say.

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Message 38 of 43 (867825)
12-03-2019 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
12-03-2019 2:54 PM


On Trump leaving according to fantasy
Of course he would step down, he honors the rule of law ...

Nope. He breaks the law every day that he gets profits from his companies that he failed to distance himself from.

Especially Trump Tower with foreign government representatives renting luxury suites while waiting to get an audience.

Every time he plays golf on one of his golf courses and pays himself for the privilege plus the cost of admission for the secret service. He charges us, the taxpayers so he can play.

It's called emoluments.

... even if that law is evil as such an impeachment would be. ...

Was the impeachment of Clinton "evil"? Nixon? The charges he could face could be worse than both Clinton and Nixon were charged with, but he would face those charges as well (obstruction of justice, abuse of power, lying to congress). What could be new would be endangering national security by weakening our relationship with Ukraine, his abandonment of the Kurds in Syria, weakening NATO, and helping /being weak on Russia.

... Accept it as fair. no of course not, not in the sense of treating it as righteous and honest. ...

Trumpty doesn't know what either of those words mean. He has demonstrated that multiple times.

The hearings to date have been as rightious, honest and fair as the impeachment of Cliniton, the impeachment of Nixon and the numerous hearings on Bengazi with Hillary.

That means you can't complain about it if you think those were righteous, honest and fair.

... Because it wouldn't be fair and honest, it would be merely the result of the endless invented excuses to get him out of office that the lerft has concocted and lied about for over three years now.

Charges we have evidence for, as much evidence or more than was ever found for Nixon, Clinton or Hillary.

The Senate is certain not to impeach because they are sane compared to the House, ...

You mean convict, not impeach.

And no they are not saner than the house, they are craven shadows of what used to pass for senators. The only thing that might move them to serve the country would be large crowds of people protesting to get them to convict or lose their seats.

... but if they did yes he would leave and Pence wouldn't have to do anything. They would shake hands and exchange woeful looks over the state of the country that it should come to this but resist it, no, of course not.

The state of the country that Trump has reduced it to, woeful that they couldn't wreck it more. Still leaving Pense to do further damage in the brief time he might have in office.

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Message 43 of 43 (867847)
12-04-2019 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Faith
12-03-2019 5:17 PM


Here's the House Report, complete with list of facts.
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6566087-F...

The table of contents starts on page 6 - a quick reading of these section titles gives you a quick jist of the report.
The preface starts on page 7
The executive summary starts on page 12
The key findings of facts starts on page 34
Section I. the president's misconduct starts on page 37
Section II. the president's obstruction of the house of representative's impeachment inquiry starts at page 202 and ends at page 292

For anyone who has claimed that they want the full truth to come out, it would be a good start to read this document in it's fullest. For anyone who has claimed that they want to see the facts. it would be a good start to read this document in it's fullest.

Anything less means you can't handle the truth and will only accept partisan lies from the right wing echo chamber.

There is not one iota of exculpatory evidence that has been provided by the GOP, the witnesses they called, or the president and members of his staff.

The hearings to date have be4en a travesty. Hearsay upon hearsay accepted as evidence, emotion in the place of facts, Presidentially correct decisions treated as criminal, Schiff disallowing Republican response, a complete lack of due process for the defendant. It's a travesty of justice, a violation of every principle that made America great.

Which is false, and just dodges the facts in favor of misinformation from the right wing echo chamber.

THERE IS NO LEGALLY REQUIRED "DUE PROCESS" IN A HEARING, that is saved for the TRIAL. There is no "due process" in any Grand Jury that is reviewing information to see if charges could or should be brought against the accused. If there are, then the Grand Jury prepares indictments and the accused goes to trial before a judge and jury.

The RULES of the hearing were written and adopted by the GOP for their impeachment hearing and the hearings on Bengazi.

If they don't like their own rules that is their problem. It's called KARMA.

Trump has increased employment and reduced unemployment enormously, meaning he's improved the economy enormously, that Obama nearly destroyed with his policies, having millions on food stamps and so on. All that is improved under Trump. He's made tons of other improvements according to the people I hear every day but I dobn't trust myself to describe them properly.

Because it's BS. Job increase is due to people working multiple jobs to earn enough to live, wages for the middle class and poorer people have remained static or declined, reduction is food stamps is due to cuts in the program not to any reduction in the number of people needing them -- mostly in the MILITARY or people working for below starvation wages for Walmart, Amazon, etc.

Get out of the right-wing bubble and take a look at reality. Read or watch all information on a topic.

Start at 9am with the next hearing on compiling the articles of impeachment (ie -- "the indictments") ... sadly without the president because HE chose to be absent.

Watch it directly and DO NOT rely of any filtered media report on it (they ALL have agendas).

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