Christianity is Morally Bankrupt

Christ on a bike Phat, I'm not asking that question!!! Hurrah! Getting closer. Close your sodding book and try to think for yourself. I'm not interested in Job, can you answer why there's a loving god that makes this happen to you?

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I recently had eye surgery and now am blind in one eye. I have to see the doctor again on Tuesday. I hope that it is just a cateract, but if it indeed does mean that I am blind, I certainly wont just shrug and say that life is unfair. I will be angry and focused.

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Why, if he loves you did he make you suffer and not just do what a real loving father would do?ps, sorry about your eye, that's fucking miserable. I hope science can help you.

You are saying that you wouldn't be happy in heaven because there is no evil or suffering. That would make it boring according to you. You are saying that we can't be happy unless there is evil and suffering. Adam and Eve learned of good and evil after eating of the Tree of Knowledge. They didn't start out with this knowledge. We also have this knowledge right now. So what gives? Will we lose this knowledge when we go to heaven? Are we stripped of free will when we get to heaven so that we can't disobey God?Why can't Earth be like heaven?

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What form would this voice take? Is there more than one form?

Shortly after this post I elaborated, saying that we WOULD be happy in heaven where they have the knowledge of good and evil, whereas Adam and Eve did not have that knowledge. I didn't say there couldn't be happiness, I said that it would be static, but the knowledge of good and evil would make it more like heaven. Except in the case of Adam and Eve it required disobedience to bring it about and that's what causes suffering. In the end we should haved knowledge of good and evil and perfect happiness without suffering.No we don't lose this knowledge in heaven becaue it exists in heaven.

I apologize for implying that you were. It is simply that I see evolution as being a result of intelligence. However within the evolutionary process the mutations that bring about positive changes also have glitches. As a result we have mental illness, cancer and tsunamis etc.However, I have always agreed that suffering is the biggest question we have to deal with as Christians. However we have been given as humans the capability to alleviate much of it and the empathy required to act on those capabilities. IMHO it only makes sense that the fact that we are capable of feeling empathy and acting on it implies that there is an empathetic intelligence behind it all. This being the case then I have to conclude that suffering is a unfortunate necessity. I don't agree that He doesn't. Psychopathy definition:

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Psychopathy is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits. It is sometimes considered synonymous with sociopathy.

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Certainly the ability in those with this disorder have their ability to react positively to their conscience, (God's still small voice), but it doesn't mean that it sin't there, or they aren't aware of it.

Uh? Empathy is the emotion that makes us feel the hurt in others and makes us want to help them. Psychopaths lack conscience because they lack this emotion, they don't hear this 'still small voice', they don't feel that when they harm others that they are doing wrong. They think they can do anything they want regardless of the effect on others. It's in your definition.Psychopathy is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits. It is sometimes considered synonymous with sociopathy.The only thing that stops them harming others routinely to further their own goals is their intelligence which tells them that society will punish them for doing it. So they spend a lot of time and energy on not getting caught and/or work at not doing the things that they have learnt from society will get them into trouble even if they don't understand why.

Psychopathy Psychology Today WebMD

No need to apologize, I get mistaken for an atheist all the time. I only mentioned it because your argument seemed specific to atheists. Tsunamis are caused by mutations? Ah, now I see the connection to evolution, since empathy has an evolutionary explanation. Why do you choose "an empathetic intelligence" over evolution? But your conclusion of "an empathetic intelligence" is highly questionable, and this further conclusion about suffering being necessary with a God of infinite power even more so. You said mental illness could prevent people from hearing it, which is millions of people, and which is why I think Tangle asked the question, and why you're answering in a psychological context: This additional detail seems to contradict what you said earlier. First you said the voice might not be heard by the mentally ill, but now you say they could be aware of what they cannot hear. You seem to be working out the answers as you go along, which is fine, but I'm not interested in being a participant in the process. I'd rather wait until you've worked it all out.--Percy

We have the knowledge of good and evil, so why can't Earth and this universe be free of evil and suffering?

I answered that too, Taq, but I'm not up to tracking it down. Because we disobeyed, we don't merely have knowledge as God does, we committed sin, and we commit it every day, 3we are in opposition to God. I believe that in the end knowledge we will have, we will have memory of it all, but we will be free of sin and the power to sin. In Eden they had the power to sin and not the knowledge of good and evil. They ac quired that knowledge by disobeying God, by committing sin. The wages of sin is death, that is sin, opposition to God, disobedience of His morela law is the cause of all sufferinjg.

That's not what the Bible says. The Bible says that Adam and Eve acquired the knowledge of good and evil by disobeying God. That's the exact opposite of what you are saying. So what is stopping us from disobeying once we are in heaven? Do we lose all free will? Then why are you saying that we don't have knowledge of good and evil because we disobeyed God?

You are saying I haven't said what in fact I have said and more than once and pretty cleqarly I thought. Yes we have the knowledge of good and evil because we disoberyed God. Good grief, I don't know how I could have been any clearer.

"Because we disobeyed, we don't merely have knowledge as God does, we committed sin, and we commit it every day, 3we are in opposition to God."Also, will we lose the free will to disobey God when we are in heaven?

What you quoted seems to me to say exactly what you say I didn't say.Yes we will no longer have the freee will to sin/disobey God, but we will have the knowledgeof good and evil.