Human Races

So . Let`s take some Germans (or English). Put them in Central Africa
and let them live and reproduct for some.000 years.
Is the invironment so strong to convert them to Negroids ??????
I say No.Is it safe to cancel and annul what nature , god, any other factor
formed sapiently and wisely in the name of a faulty positioned "humanity brotherhood" ??It is very easy to to "build" theories like "Lucy as the mother of humanity" .
Who said that there are no more "Mothers" in different places of the earth?Scientists say that there are diferences between Chromosomes , protoplasmatic structure
enzymatic factors (and more) but the same time they say that races is a myth?I wonder if contemporary "anthropologists" expect to see horns or scales , or maby wings,
to define a different race.........The pastors trick was to love both white and black sheep . OK
Now the trick is that all sheep are the same.My friend Crashfrog , the hot point is that if we accept the difference of the races, we lead
to the fact that there are must be superior and subordinate ones (as you wisely spotted).According to a myth of Aesopus , a fox lost his tale during a dog hunting.
He felt so bad that one day called all the other foxes and started to explain how good it feels
without this unneeded thing , how good looking is without that furry extention , and adviced all
the others to cut their tales. A long conversation followed. Finally a small fox cub said:
" But then we all gonna be polled !!!!!!"By the others it means that no argument can substitute the obvious.

They're sure as hell going to get tans. If you wait long enough, and take away sunscreen and clothing, you're going to select for the dark-complexioned folks.Are they going to become "negroids"? Who knows? What the hell is a "negroid", and how would you recognize one? The genetic data that makes it very clear that all humanity is decended from a common ancestor. There's some statistical corellation between certain genetic factors and the reigon your ancestors are from. That's a long, long step from saying "all black people are going to have heart diease." So, yes. Science identifies that people use race as a shorthand. But they also realize that there's no biological basis for race. No. Because those terms are relative, not universal. Superior compared to what? Superior in what terms? By what metric?Folks with white skin have an advantage in northern climes. Folks with black skin have an advantage in sunny climes. Now, explain to me which of those traits is "superior."Kinda depends on where you're standing, doesn't it? There's nothing obvious except your own prejudice.

Are they going to become "negroids"? Who knows? What the hell is a "negroid", and how would you recognize one? You never miss one if you have not some elementary education. The genetic data that makes it very clear that all humanity is decended from a common ancestorYes. The Bacteria. Maby the worm later . The monkey maby later on.
Let`s leave the genetic "Data" alone.
Is there a botanist to say that a tree matures its fruits in the same time??
Is there any anthropologist to claim the equality of the evolutional tree of man? There's some statistical corellation between certain genetic factors and the reigon your ancestors are from. That's a long, long step from saying "all black people are going to have heart diease." So, yes. Science identifies that people use race as a shorthand. But they also realize that there's no biological basis for race"some statistical corellation between certain genetic factors and the reigon your ancestors are from" ."shorthand"...Finally the black skin color and fleshy lips are an illusion!!!!!
Folks with white skin have an advantage in northern climes. Folks with black skin have an advantage in sunny climes. Now, explain to me which of those traits is "superior."

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You are trying to say that :"This man is not a Negro , is not a Black ,he is just standing tropical clime better!" ????
Say it my fried.It`s a free country.
I would choose to say "I love and appreciate all races and i respect everybody with his habits his religion, his ethics , color , weight ,
." Superior compared to what? Superior in what terms? By what metric? I allready refered to some "civilization term" .......but it was going with the wind...... Kinda depends on where you're standing, doesn't it? Standing on a throne of superiority or in mud ,a real thinking human never stops thinking. Kinda true? There's nothing obvious except your own prejudice.
I lay myself open to public censure

I think this statement says it all. Clearly education is the antidote to prejudice, then. Black skin color? It's melanin, the same compound that gives you a tan. Some people just have more of a tan. Melanin has a black color, I guess. Since all humans have melanin to some degree, are we all black?Some people have big lips, like Dolly Pardon. Is Dolly Pardon black? Some people who are considered "black", like Hally Berry, don't have big lips.So yes, those things are illusions. They're superfical traits possessed by some of the people considered to be of a certain race. But they're hardly a mechanism for race identification, because they're not shared by and unique to all members of that race. I'm trying to say he's a human being with a deep tan. For some reason, people find that noteworthy. I don't see any reason to. So where does that leave you? Why did you exchange thought for prejudice? Oh, you'll get it, I think.

"So where does that leave you? Why did you exchange thought for prejudice?"Prejudice is when someone is convinced to see black color and white color as the same. when he says that "some" Central Africans have fleshy lips...
When he takes the exception as a rule.I know how the the modern societies pass some "truths" , but i did not expect this blindness.Always exposed to public censure .

I noticed that you didn't actually substantively address crashfrog's response to your claims. You are expressing only incredulity but are providing no good reason why we should see things your way.

It is not in my character to force someone to accept my claims.
A diaphony can be a good start for an interesting discussion.
As about substantively addressing, everybody can read meanings behind the words .
But OK. Let me go more clear.
I am a racist.
It means that i discern differences and distinctiveness between races in physical and mental - spiritual levels.
All those characteristics make the different races look the way they look , conduct to an individual cultural and social formation , and an individual civilizational evolution.Crashfrog`s position , is that some accidental factors act Biogeographically forming some differences .
Stopping there , is like we apologize "don`t blame me , blame the invironment".
In addition , saying that all people have melanin , skin, teeth , is a very general and we describe nothing.
There is something more important . The consciousness of the race , the C.of the common blood origin.""Real values are born only where the law of blood determines -consciously or unconsciously- the ideas
and the acts of the humans""
Al.Rozenberg

But you discern differences where they don't exist. That's rather the problem, isn't it? Well, it's rather difficult to domesticate the horse when the only horses are an ocean away, wouldn't you say?Technology builds on itself. You can't invent the wheel before you have something to pull the cart. And domesticating species is the first technology. If your society can't pull that off because there's no species to domesticate, you're rather stuck, aren't you? What, exactly? That's sort of what I'm asking. What magic factors do you use to determine race? What the hell does that even mean? Blood isn't conscious.

Can you tell me a singe thing about the Huns of Attilla civilization??
They had 10.000s of domesticated horses.The consciousness of the race , the C.of the common blood origin

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""What the hell does that even mean? Blood isn't conscious. ""Blood itself maby not. Adult humans i think yes.What, exactly? That's sort of what I'm asking. What magic factors do you use to determine race?To be better andertood:
-Factor 1 : The realization /understanding/feeling of the common origin .The sensation/self-knowledge of a Mongol or an Eskimo that is a part of his own group.
-Factor 2 : The Civilization that a race presented.Am i doing magic or Voodoo again???

Have you ever tried to grow wheat in Mongolia? Group identity is important. But why does that have to be based on race? I'm proud to be an American, among Americans of every kind. Maybe it's different in Greece. Civilization has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with technology. Well, you're sure not presenting a cogent argument.

I thing USA imports wheat from Siberia.
Is it impossible for wheat or similar cereal to grow in Mongolia and possible in Siberia?
What is Mongolia , a stone desert or a huge steppa?
What eat 100s of 1.000s of horses in Mongolia ? Some similar plants i think.Races made the Civilizations .
Technology has almost nothing to do with Civilization
T. has to do with the technical aplications .
C. has to do with the way of thinking and culture.To be proud of being an American is a duty.
I always respect people that have the sense of the Nation they belong.
USA i think is somekind of a Mother Nation contaning many Daughter nationalities .
With some differences the central idea is the same in my continent.
A Greek is a Greek but the same time a European citizen.
To be European is something explained economicaly , geographicaly , or maybe as
a mater of military defence. Nothing more exept they are all similar and historical races.
The term "European Nation" doesn`t exist.Bible refers to "The race of Adam" a very determinated one , that from Kain leads to Jesus.
The race of Hercules leads to the Athenean Pericles.
The race of Henias leads to Romans
The race of someone leaded to Zulu of Shaka.White races make the hard rock
Black races make the Blues
Other Black races make the Reggae
One European race makes the fandango
One other makes the Opera
And one other makes the Judo and the Haiku(recently also makes Nissan and many more..)

I think you don't know what you're talking about. Siberia is too far north - the growing season is too short. They can barely feed themselves, much less import wheat to us. Horses eat grass. Humans cannot. Wrong again. What is civilization if not the advancement of technology? Nope. Maybe you've heard - we're the Great Melting Pot. What, you don't think Lenny Kravitz can rock?

You fall into bigger mistakesWheat grows exactly where the grasses grow .USA does import wheat from Siberia . Even cats know that. Ask one.Advancement of technology???????
A monkey with a DVD in his hand is a civilized person????Lenny Kravitz can rock , can roll , can do 10.000 things .
He can never say that he is the inventor of the Rock.
Even i play the blues sometimes . Does it mean anything else but i like it?Well, I`ll tell you what.
I know that you can`t represent your Huge and Beautiful country.
Just don`t you make any more try to do this .Respect the rest of the Americans. Not me.
And a last advice.
Open some book from time to time.
Does good.
Start from The SnowWhite if Robin Hood is too sophisticated.

I realize that you're from Greece, and therefore might not know anything about farming cereal grains. So believe me when I tell you that I'm from Minnesota, and that I can walk a mile from my front door and be standing in a wheat field.Wheat doesn't grow in Mongolia or Siberia, because the growing season is too short and it's too cold. Also Mongolia doesn't get enough rainfall for sustained agriculture.The easiest way for you to prove me wrong would be to show me the vast, verdant wheat fields of Mongolia, you know. Good luck. I'm supposed to take you seriously? You're talking to cats? What are you talking about? Who said anything about monkeys? Ah, true. That would be Little Richie, aka "The Father of Rock and Roll." Come to think of it, he's black, too. So much for your knowledge of music history. I'll not be insinuated that I'm ignorant from the likes of you. I'm sorry to see such filth from the cradle of Western Civilization.

Ahhh but Crashfrog! It is, and He did die for us by shedding His! You may continue posting numerous intellectual posts that disavow the reality of the living, loving and personal God that knows you better than you know yourself, and I humbly ask you to reconsider! Much love to the Crashfrog from Phatboy[This message has been edited by Phatboy, 02-17-2004]