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Faith 
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Message 13 of 83 (856167)
06-28-2019 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by LamarkNewAge
06-28-2019 12:53 AM


Re: The 2018 election showed how districts can change partisan orientation - dramatically
Discussions I've been hearing say the determination of the boundaries of districts is strictly a state matter and a political matter, and that's why the court didn't rule on it. A Republican state government is perfectly free to determine whatever boundaries they like, even to benefit the Republican party, and likewise in a Democratic controlled state government the boundaries can be chosen to benefit that party. There is nothing illegal about this, it is simply a state matter. And as a matter of fact it doesn't always have the intended result anyway.
It's only when the drawing of such boundaries disenfranchises a protected group such as a race that the federal government has any reason to get involved. So that's what I heard about this today.

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Faith 
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Message 52 of 83 (868494)
12-13-2019 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Chiroptera
12-13-2019 9:58 AM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
Can't read the whole article but I'll take your word for the gist of it. Here is its first line:
This year, much of what we hold dear has been threatened — democracy, civility, truth.
And that is for sure in spades. The problem of course is that the Guardian is a liberal mouthpiece and that statement is false because they think they are the guardians of "democracy, civility, truth." Either they really believe that or they are running the usual disinformation to keep the public in the dark. It's hard to know in many cases. But they are wrong about who is threatening these values cuz it ain't the right, it's their own liberal/leftist camp.
But I mostly just want to address the complaint about the rumblings concerning impeaching the next Democratic President the way they are going about impeaching Trump. The argument is that the totally partisan illegal methods being used in this current sham impeachment have to be confronted if there is any chance to save our republic, meaning also save "democracy, civility and truth" because the Democrats have undermined these values in their zeal to overturn the legitimate election of Trump. I'd prefer it myself if somehow this charade could be exposed for what it is now, possibly in the Senate trial, and/or through the reports coming out by Barr and Durham.
Anybody noticed that since Barr has been making statements forshadowing his report that expose the sham impeachment and all the Democrat subterfuges against Trump since before he was elected, that now we are getting the usual liberal/leftist tactic of character assassination against Barr. Right out of the Lefty playbook. Whoever tells the truth about the illegal attack on the President is going to be subject to this tactic. And liberals in the country won't hear anything else from the corrupted media so they'll believe it. What a nightmare of a time we are living in when the truth is suppressed in this way and you all don't see it, you all at EvC.

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Faith 
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Message 57 of 83 (868531)
12-13-2019 5:17 PM
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12-13-2019 1:14 PM


Just a note
Just a note that this sort of personal attack, nothing BUT a personal attack, ought to be summarily propelled into Suspension. Just a note.
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Faith 
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Message 60 of 83 (868534)
12-13-2019 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by JonF
12-13-2019 12:53 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
The liberals have been accepted mere hearsay and opinion as legal testimony, they have been denying the Republicans any kind of fair hearing, even denying them the knowledge of when the vote will occur until the last minute, denying due process which is standard procedure whether it is spelled out in the Constitution or not, then we can go back to the beginning and note that Hillary's obstruction of justice was covered up by Comey, that the illegal "dirty dossier" was treated as verified when it was unverified and unverifiable, to defraud the FISA court into granting surveillance of the Trump campaign, apparently under the auspices of Obama, that the Mueller report was begun on the basis of this fraud, and never should have been allowed at all, a hugely expensive attempt to unseat a duly elected President which found NOTHING against him though the liberals made out that it did anyway, c,losed-door hearings is another violation. These things ARE illegal on normal grounds including Constitutional grounds which respect the defendant and grant him protections being ignored by the liberals. Lots more than this and I hope it all comes out, hope hope hope the unconscionable attack on Barr gets shown for what it is. ALL of it is illegal, everything they've done is illegal, disgustingly partisan with no respect whatever for American institutions, the office of the Presidency, the tens of millions of citizens who voted for Trump, the whole impeachment with its phony "Articles of Impeachment" the works, all of it, is fraudulent.
Hey I heard about a book recently that liberals ought to read along with the many others I've mentioned from time to time: Resistance At All Costs, How the Trump Haters are Breaking America by Kimberly Strassel, who writes a column for the Wall Street Journal. There's a short audio of her reading a Preface or Introduction or something like that under the picture of the book at Amazon. Good way to do it I think. Gets across the point of view of conservatives very nicely.
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Message 61 of 83 (868535)
12-13-2019 5:45 PM
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12-13-2019 5:24 PM


Re: Just a note
I believe such an accusation requires an example. Don't have one, do you.

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Faith 
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Message 62 of 83 (868536)
12-13-2019 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by PaulK
12-13-2019 5:27 PM


Re: Just a note
Wow what a slimy justification for a violation that is. Kind of reminds me though of how liberals operate in general so par for the course. But personal attack IS against the rules here, and yours is an entire post that is nothing but.

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Faith 
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Message 67 of 83 (868555)
12-14-2019 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Chiroptera
12-13-2019 12:11 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
c So this is a case where "two wrongs" DO "make a right"? What if, instead of "saving our republic" it just creates a situation where from now on every single President gets impeached until the Republic finally collapses?
That is exactly what they hope to stop by impeaching the next Democrat President, saying that if this sham impeachment is allowed to stand as if it's legitimate THAT is what will bring down the country. I don't get this reasoning myself quite, but I do understand that if something isn't done to counteract and expose the unconstitutionality and purely partisan motivations of this attack on Trump it has to undermine the nation.

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Faith 
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Message 68 of 83 (868558)
12-14-2019 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
12-14-2019 11:36 AM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
Just took in the title of this post. Everything the Democrats do they accuse the right of doing. How predictable. They commit crimes and then lie about rthe Republicans committing those crimes. And they get away with it. As long as they control the media their supporters will swallow it all won't they? I'm just glad we have so many on my side or we'd have gone under by now and be governed by this tyrannical mob based on nothing but lies.
(oh wait, Now PaulK or JonF will take this paragraph of mine and quote it as if it supports their POV. Ha ha. Yes predictable.)
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Faith 
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Message 72 of 83 (868565)
12-14-2019 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ringo
12-14-2019 12:49 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
I don't give a *&x&*#^@* about "appropriate" behavior in the case of Trump, it's absolutely irrelevant. It would matter in a President whose policies were also bad but Trump's are right where we want them, he's the most upfront straightforward patriotic America-loving truly conservative policy maker we've had since Reagan. His personality doesn't matter and it's not the huge big deal that's made of it anyway. One thing it shows is that he's different, he's not one of the "swamp" creatures, he's not a politician, he's uniquely himself and he's not part of the Washington mob. THAT'S WHY WE LIKE HIM.
Csonsitutional checks and balances? First of all it's Congress that is violating them and that's why Trump is refusing to cooperate. He cooperated with Mueller but the House is going beyond his tolerance. THEY are treating the Executive Branch as if he should be their own personal toady. He refuses to play their game. THAT's the violation of checks and balances that needs to be checked. Their impeachment hoax is the biggest violation. They deny the President the most minimum of decent treatment, respect, due process. MOST OF THEM SHOULD BE IMPEACHED for abuse of power since that is now an impeachable offense..
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Faith 
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Message 74 of 83 (868570)
12-14-2019 3:44 PM
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12-14-2019 3:32 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
The very fact that there are so many corrupt leftists is enough to make a decent truthloving person throw up. Oh we're glad that he won't be impeached in the Senate but already the House is so rotten they should be thrown out of office and put to work in janitorial jobs. There is such deep rottenness in the system it needs a huge overhaul but unfortunately it needs a large majority of nonrotten politicians to accomplish that.
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