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Tangle
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Message 812 of 887 (868482)
12-13-2019 2:04 AM


Poor old Liberals. RIP Jo Swinson.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 814 of 887 (868485)
12-13-2019 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 813 by vimesey
12-13-2019 2:47 AM


Boris is now in for 10 years unless something totally unexpected happens. But I'm trying to see an upside in it and I'm hoping that now he's got such a large majority that he doesn't have to listen to the far right and maybe he'll behave like a liberal 'one-nation' Tory.
Maybe someone here can pray for him.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 824 of 887 (868769)
12-18-2019 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 823 by Taq
12-17-2019 6:29 PM


Re: The Final Results
Boris is a clown but he's no idiot - he's a very clever guy. He's no Trump, I have a feeling he'll surprise us.
Well we have to hope.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 827 of 887 (868775)
12-18-2019 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 826 by vimesey
12-18-2019 8:22 AM


Re: The Final Results
He's a genius...

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 836 of 887 (871265)
01-30-2020 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 833 by Theodoric
01-30-2020 4:09 PM


Re: European Parliament backs terms of UK exit
Only three problems with that
1. It's probable that the Scots still don't want to leave the Uk
2. The Scots need the consent of Parliament to become independent. Boris has already formally refused on the basis that they voted against it in a referendum and this Parliament will never agree.
3. The Scottish economy is a joke - it has a deficit of over 10% - it's subsidised by England. The EU won't allow a new member unless its deficit is under 3%
quote:
This week, the Scottish government published figures for its national finances. They show that the Scottish government spends 127 for every 100 it raises in tax a ratio unequalled anywhere else in the developed world. It can do this because so much extra money is sent up from England. For every 100 spent per English head, 120 is spent on a Scottish one.
Greece, Italy, Albania no country, no matter how economically distressed, has such a mismatch between state spending and tax collected. Scotland’s deficit at 10.1 per cent of GDP is now twice as big as the next-worst country (Japan). No independent country could afford to run a deficit of Scottish magnitude: to borrow on world markets, you need a semblance of fiscal respectability. Even to join the European Union, Scotland’s deficit would need to be below 3 per cent. So an independent Scotland would right now be facing a choice: state spending down by 15 per cent, taxes up by 19 per cent, or a combination of the two.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 840 of 887 (883595)
12-23-2020 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 839 by vimesey
12-22-2020 10:50 PM


quote:
Ignorance - democracy’s biggest inherent weakness.
  —Vimesey
Ignorance plus social media = perfect imperfection.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 854 of 887 (897025)
08-28-2022 4:26 AM


So far there have been no benefits and many harms. Business is much harder, we haven't got any of those wonderful trade deals yet and we have a real chance of Scotland breaking up the Union and Northern Ireland going bad.
If we hadn't had the COVID crisis followed by Ukraine, the lack of Brexit benefits and NI disputes would be top of the news everyday.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 858 of 887 (897132)
08-29-2022 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 857 by Percy
08-29-2022 2:11 PM


Re: The Final Results
If the clown hadn't turned out to also be a pathological liar maybe things would have worked out better...

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 865 of 887 (897480)
09-06-2022 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 863 by Diomedes
09-06-2022 10:29 AM


Re: The Final Results
I've just watched her, it's going to be ok, she says she's going to fix everything.
She looks like a recently appointed head teacher of a small infant school. Oh dear.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 877 of 887 (899872)
10-20-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by Diomedes
10-20-2022 9:37 AM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
"Bring back Boris, Bring back Boris"
We're fucked for a generation.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 884 of 887 (900153)
10-24-2022 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 883 by Diomedes
10-23-2022 7:27 PM


Re: Liv Truss to Resign as PM
“…..and then she swoops in, kills the queen, crashes the markets, and fucks off….
Oh dear, oh dear…

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 887 of 887 (900173)
10-24-2022 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Diomedes
10-24-2022 12:46 PM


Re: New UK PM
Well the man has a brain, he's not mad and he's our first non-white PM. The markets have reacted positively to it - we're back where we where pre-Truss.
So yes, it's progress.
I never thought I'd be relieved to see a conservative prime minister but these are strange times.
Shit times ahead though.
Oh, and he's Hindu. We've trumped Obama.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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