Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 63 (9162 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 916,395 Year: 3,652/9,624 Month: 523/974 Week: 136/276 Day: 10/23 Hour: 2/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?
Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


Message 714 of 887 (860190)
08-06-2019 2:41 AM


Hardening of postions
So It Seems we are in the middle of one almighty game of "chicken"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49240809
Boris Appears to be doubling down on his demands for renegotiation with voices suggesting that even with the removal of the backstop his cabinet are now set for No-deal as the default.
Meanwhile, in reaction to this new trajectory, the EU is stating that there is no basis for new talks. (as has been their postion since the negotiation of the withdrawal agreement).
Boris once denounced the talk of food and medicine shortages in the case of a no deal as "Project Fear", but has now released 2.1bn to no deal planning in order to prevent such shortages. So it seems that even he has admitted that "Project Fear" was "Project Truth".
So he blusters on hoping that the EU will give way. Something which they are unlikely to do.
I can't help but harbour the feeling that part of the plan is (in the knowledge that there is no "good" brexit scenario) to take such an extreme, indefensible position so that parliament will be forced to shut him down, thus forcing a second referendum.
thereby, avoiding disaster and Saving face by being able to blame the U-turn on Parliament.
Of course the other outcome could be a general election in which I expect a Tory/Brexit party coalition.
As it is, I cannot remember a time when a party in power could have been so inept, such a complete disaster with an opposition party so completely unable to capitalise on it.
Corbyn has shown himself to be utterly useless and the Labour party is all but dead.

  
Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


Message 772 of 887 (863289)
09-24-2019 7:11 AM


Supreme Court Rules against UK Govt
Parliament: Defiant Johnson faces MPs and demands election - BBC News
A unanimous decision, there was no reason, let alone a good reason to prorogue for 5 weeks.
there are numerous calls for Johnson's resignation, even the Brexit party chairman is sayng that Brexit should now be delayed.
unprecedented stuff here...
Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.

Replies to this message:
 Message 773 by Diomedes, posted 09-24-2019 8:03 AM Heathen has not replied

  
Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


(1)
Message 774 of 887 (863459)
09-26-2019 3:39 AM


Johnathan Pie nails it again...
Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.
Edited by Admin, : Fix code for YouTube video.

Replies to this message:
 Message 775 by Diomedes, posted 09-26-2019 8:59 AM Heathen has not replied

  
Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


Message 778 of 887 (863523)
09-27-2019 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 777 by Diomedes
09-26-2019 2:14 PM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
what cheap TV show was Boris involved with?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 777 by Diomedes, posted 09-26-2019 2:14 PM Diomedes has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 779 by vimesey, posted 09-27-2019 3:55 AM Heathen has not replied

  
Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


(1)
Message 791 of 887 (865123)
10-21-2019 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by AZPaul3
10-19-2019 4:07 PM


Re: Letwin? Let Lose? Let Confuse?
The Letwin amendment requires that the house do not vote on the withdrawal agreement untill the legislation is in place.
Some MPs feared that even if the deal was voted through, without leglistation in place to to force the PM to enact the deal, he could still opt to crash out with no deal. (a possible loophole to the Benn Act). They wanted this loophole closed.
So this amendment is basically parliament making clear that they do not trust the current prime minister.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 789 by AZPaul3, posted 10-19-2019 4:07 PM AZPaul3 has seen this message but not replied

  
Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


Message 820 of 887 (868693)
12-17-2019 2:30 AM
Reply to: Message 819 by Diomedes
12-14-2019 10:34 AM


Re: Scottish referendum?
Would the SNP potentially try and pull a Catalonia and just put forth a referendum without parliamentary approval?
I can't see Nicola Sturgeon going on the run like Carles Puigemont.
In other news... Today, Boris Johnson is pushing forward with legistlation to make it illegal to extend the transition period, thus making a hard brexit or "crash out" more likely.
any hopes of him not being beholden to the ERG extemists, due to his majority, seem to be evapourating.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 819 by Diomedes, posted 12-14-2019 10:34 AM Diomedes has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 821 by Diomedes, posted 12-17-2019 8:59 AM Heathen has not replied

  
Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


Message 829 of 887 (868849)
12-19-2019 7:03 AM
Reply to: Message 828 by Faith
12-18-2019 5:12 PM


Re: Jonathan Pie - Election Aftermath
Gosh, Jonathan Pie gets it. Our Leftists still don't get it. And anyone who thinks Trump is stupid doesn't get it either.
Hmm you should watch some more of Jonathan Pie's videos...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 828 by Faith, posted 12-18-2019 5:12 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 830 by Faith, posted 12-19-2019 8:00 AM Heathen has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024