Testing The Christian Apologists

Yet I point out how it CAN'T hold together at even a basic level and you can't refute it; you simply say 'I believe' Yes we know. But then we also know how you think. It sure is a thinking problem. It starts with you having to believe in a corrupted view of an ancient set of myths and then trying to make it make sense in a real world full of real knowledge. It's called motivated thinking. Which is an evil idea. *I* made up? It's got nothing to do with what I like. It's just an evil idea. Condemned for someone else's fictional sin - that's immoral.

What you don't get is that for me it's like arguing against someone that believes in the Tooth Fairy.I mean, what sort of drivel is that? Even supposing Luther had more knowledge about any of this than anyone else, it still doesn't make any sense.Why would god have devil? Why ffs?

Remember that the Bible is filled with contradictions and this is another great example.Through most of the Bible Satan is depicted as an agent of God, the tester/tempter who God uses to proof individuals. Satan ONLY does what God tells Satan to do. That is the position that Luther is referencing and it is certainly Biblical.Most of the Satan as an opponent or independent agent comes from trying to pretend Revelation actually makes any sense or has any meaning relevant beyond the period when it was written.

God created Satan.

Samuel Colt created a revolver too. We dont hold him responsible for every wrong done with his guns.

Wow, a new low.Are you seriously comparing god to a capitalist that made guns? And are you now telling us that god is NOT responsible for everything?This god of yours is all powerful when he's doing stuff you like and a puny as a baby when not.

Oh I do indeed get that. You are quite willing to treat as nothing the whole history of Christianity with its great cultural and political influence that made western civilization, and treat its great great men and women including its theologians as ignornant children. Even when I was an atheist I had more sense than that.The devil didn't start out as the devil. He started out as the most beautiful and powerful of God's angels. He became the devil by becoming corrupted by jealousy of God and the desire to displace Him. Some theologians believe that the human race was created in order to defeat him, which comes about in the very last days, even past the last millennium which is to begin after Jesus returns.Laugh your head off, you're the loser in this by treating it as a silly story.You grew up a Catholic right? I assume you heard Jesus' teaching about how we must become as little children.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Actually Faith, it was to a considerable extent Islamic civilization and science that made Western culture and the Christian Cathedrals possible. Without Islamic science and mathematics Western Christianity would have been lucky if they could build a three story hovel.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

The culture, politics, armies, wealth and institutions are one thing. Their ludicrous belief system is quite another. See what I mean about fairytales stories? A total fabrication. It's too tragic to laugh I'm afraid. He was right there. Only a child *could* believe such drivel. A good fiction writer would blush to produce a script that bad.

The fairytale quality of the biblical war between good and evil is one of its loveliest qualities. All good fairy tales seem to intuit its form. I love the idea that we live in a fairy tale. There's nothing inherently wrong about such an idea, it just offends you for some reason. The whole doctrine of salvation is a Cinderella story. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

With the God Character playing both Wicked Witch and Fairy Godmother. And people think god was a male.

God the Father is the Good King who sent His Son the Prince to find a bride. There is a test she must pass, believing in the King and trusting in the Prince. Satan is the evil being who tries to thwart the plan (Yeah, well it isn't a perfect replica of Cinderella. Or vice versa.) The ugly stepsisters are those who don't believe and won't be saved.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Everyone likes a good story Faith. But most people understand that they are just stories.

After researching and watching yet another Christian Apologist, Dr.Abdu Murray, I am concluding that I see better reasoned and thoughtful arguments from them than I am seeing here.
Dr.Abdu MurrayI am open to see dishonesty from these talks, yet the only thing I see is well reasoned, persuasive arguments from people who actually have read both the Bible and the Quran and who have concluded that Christianity is worthy of trust.Go ahead and research my source. You won't find any snake oil or phony diplomas there. I submit that this whole basic argument asserting that all of the apologists are dishonest is flawed.

Most people? I'd like to see evidence for that!