Testing The Christian Apologists

I posted my reasoning which I see as expected you did not address. But then you also had to once again misrepresent what I have said and posted.Avoidance and misrepresentation may make a successful Apologist but they will not fly here.I do not and have not said that I have a clue what God is like and in fact know of no way while I am still living to determine what God is like. But I can report what authors have described as the characteristics of God and so that is what I do.Why is it you have NEVER responded to the evidence I or anyone else has ever posted but just always resort to misrepresentation and avoidance?

Believe what is actually written is what is actually written Phat.It really is that easy.Understand that the Bible does have contradictions and errors and falsehoods and history and folk tales and lessons and each section, each story reflects the ethos of that particular author.Don't believe me.Don't believe Ringo.Don't believe the Apologists.Instead simply acknowledge that what is written in the stories is what is actually written in the stories and what the author of the story wanted to say.

The Bible (and I mean all of the different Canons), can be shown to exist and verified, and the content of each can be verified. The Bible can be known. Yes Phat, throw all the God(s) and god(s) away. They are all human creations. All we can know is what can be tested and verified; what was included and excluded from the various Canons, what is written in the stories, what is written in any all all the religious tomes and what people actually do.Those things can be known. Everything else is simply fantasy.Edited by jar, : add missing )Edited by jar, : fix subtitle

Not according to the Bible. In the Bible it is God that commands his people to go to war and even makes other nations attack his own people.Have you ever read the Bible Phat?

Remember that the Bible is filled with contradictions and this is another great example.Through most of the Bible Satan is depicted as an agent of God, the tester/tempter who God uses to proof individuals. Satan ONLY does what God tells Satan to do. That is the position that Luther is referencing and it is certainly Biblical.Most of the Satan as an opponent or independent agent comes from trying to pretend Revelation actually makes any sense or has any meaning relevant beyond the period when it was written.

Actually Faith, it was to a considerable extent Islamic civilization and science that made Western culture and the Christian Cathedrals possible. Without Islamic science and mathematics Western Christianity would have been lucky if they could build a three story hovel.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

With the God Character playing both Wicked Witch and Fairy Godmother. And people think god was a male.

And I would agree. But that of course has absolutely no weight as evidence other than that most people create God in their own image. Yet you are replying to the issue that people think God is a male. Think Phat. Try it. You'll like it.

It depends on how old the son is, if the son could legally own the handgun, the specifics of the incident and also on the history of parental training.You keep bringing up really silly examples Phat.You claim that God is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen. If that is the case then yes, God is responsible for all evil and well as all good. And if that God created anyone who will be damned to hell then that God is definitely evil.

If you claim that God is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen and that God possess foreknowledge then yes, that God is evil. If God creates something foreknown to be damned then that is truly evil unless you can provide some justification for that act of God. Then perhaps you can support that assertions with something more than the usual dogma.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

No Phat and by know you really should have a good idea of my position so I have to wonder why you are always misrepresenting what I say.The problem with the snake-oil sold as Original Sin is that there is no evidence in the Bible of Original Sin. But it's an easy sales job and also makes it easy to sell the Get Outta Original Sin card. No Phat, that is something of a perversion of the scenario that the Bible has the Jesus character outlining and anything I have ever posted. It's not my idea, it's what the Bible says Jesus described. The difference is that Jesus says that first they are expected to become responsible, adopt an honor system, and DO their best for others. It is on what they do that they are judged. And yes, Jesus makes no mention of whether there is any transformation or even any belief.Do you remember me mentioning passages from Matthew and Luke or do I need to yet again quote them for you?Have you ever read the Bible Phat?

LOLHave you ever read the Bible Phat?If there was a war in heaven it was over thousands of years ago.There is no Dark Side in the Bible, that's Star Wars.And with number three, are you now claiming God does not have foreknowledge?See Phat, the whole body of what you call "Mainstream Christianity" is nothing but a whole series of convenient compromises and convenient contradictions. It can only exist in minds willfully divorced from reality.

LOL Think Phat, think.What is the Scientific Method other than constantly challenging, questioning and repeatedly testing reality to make sure it is not deception.That is in fact exactly why all Apologists fail and fail miserably. They do not challenge, question and repeatedly test the utter nonsense they market to make sure it is not deception.

No Phat, the topic is Testing the Christian Apologists and so such claims are very relevant and in addition the fact that Apologist like you seem to use either a God with Foreknowledge or a God without Foreknowledge depending solely on whether or not it helps the point you are selling at that moment.It is yet another utter failure of every Christian Apologetic.

It can't tell you much or you refuse to learn from what you read because I am a believer Phat. Yet far more abandon Christianity and adopt Islam after critically evaluating Christianity. If the beliefs are as totally flawed as what the Apologists market then why shouldn't they be thrown away.Go back and reread your responses throughout this thread and you must see that you NEVER actually address what others post but just pull Gish Gallop after Gish Gallop. Exactly Phat, they refuse to be swayed by facts, truth, honesty or reality.