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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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At his rally Wednesday night while the House was preparing to vote on impeachment Trump held a campaign rally in Michigan where he said :
quote: Source: Trump reacts to his impeachment: 'It's a political suicide march for the Democratic party' —video | US news | The Guardian The president should be delighted at this turn of events where Democrats are taking the very actions that will cause the demise of their party. Trump's words echo those of many Republicans who apparently believe the same thing, that Democrats are committing political suicide. A Yahoo News/YouGov poll (In new Yahoo News/YouGov poll, most voters agree with Trump's impeachment but support for his removal falls just short of 50% [Video]) says that 53% of registered votes believe Trump abused the powers of his office, and that 51% believe he obstructed Congress. 48% of Americans support removing Trump from office, compared to 40% who do not. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Christianity Today, the evangelical magazine founded by the late Reverend Billy Graham, yesterday ran an editorial endorsing Trump's impeachment and removal: Trump Should Be Removed from Office |
Christianity Today. Significant excerpts:
quote: Sorry for the long excerpt. I would have summarized in my own words, but they wouldn't have the same power and eloquence. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
A Yahoo News/YouGov poll (In new Yahoo News/YouGov poll, most voters agree with Trump’s impeachment) says that 53% of registered votes believe Trump abused the powers of his office, and that 51% believe he obstructed Congress. 48% of Americans support removing Trump from office, compared to 40% who do not. And of those who disagree with the impeachment/removal process, many support him being voted out in the next election. https://thehill.com/...y-they-wouldnt-vote-for-trump-in-2020 When people see the circus in the Senate ... And then there is the evangelical awakening ... Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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To quote "Lefty" from "Raging Pencils (Raging Pencils : 12-20-19 : Begone False Prophet : Progressive Cartoons Monday, Wednesday and Friday)
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frako Member (Idle past 331 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Well if he is the Antichrist he must have used his demonic powers to blind them to the truth. if he is though there is only a few months left to his rule
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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From Salon magazine: Vladimir Putin attacks Democrats for made up impeachment charges as he defends President Trump | Salon.com
How much evidence do Trump supporters need before they understand that there is an improper relationship between President Trump and Vladimir Putin. With Putin as with the Ukraine, Trump has enlisted foreign help for personal gain regarding his political standing and his chances in the 2020 election. Trump supporters by and large, from rank and file supporters all the way up to members of Congress and of his administration, seem incapable of seeing the snake in the room. They're unable to look at this from the opposite perspective, to ask themselves, "If Putin defended Obama would we be okay with that? We wouldn't, of course. So why are we okay with Putin defending Trump?" --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Oh come on Percy. You're acting like Putin was KGB, not the head of a friendly nation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8549 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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caugh! gasp! pant
You're supposed to warn us before you do something like that, jar!Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I see this impeachment process as pretty much handing Trump another term on a silver platter. This impeachment will not amount to one damn thing that's useful. He's not going anywhere because its obvious at this point its based on a popularity contest and not actually identifiable impeachment charges. When he survives it, and he will just as Clinton did, he and his supporters will use it to their advantage.
Trump is a goddamn buffoon. Trump has no respect for the institution of the presidency. Trump is a myopic and self-aggrandized megalomaniac. And I have no doubt that there are numerous improprieties during his tenure as president. None of that is in dispute. But I really don't think they have anything on him that is going to rise to the level of ousting him and, worse still, that this will actually play into his hands. The Democrats couldn't have picked a worse time to do this either. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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The articles of impeachment have been passed in the House BUT is being held off from being passed on to the Senate.
I yield to my perceived faith in the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Hold off on passing the impeachment to the Senate and let things stew, about how the Republicans of the Senate are going to handle the trial. Right now, the Republican image is that they are fully in defense of Trump and willing to whitewash anything and everything Trump does. Let that image stew, and see what happens. The other option: Let it look like the Democrats are unwilling to challenge Trumps misdeeds - Not at all good for the Democrats image. MooseProfessor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature) "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Its not that I think impeachment is a bad idea, its that I don't think its going to yield the desired results.
I yield to my perceived faith in the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Hold off on passing the impeachment to the Senate and let things stew, about how the Republicans of the Senate are going to handle the trial. Right now, the Republican image is that they are fully in defense of Trump and willing to whitewash anything and everything Trump does. Let that image stew, and see what happens. I also think this tactic of, "Lets wait and see" is a poor game plan. The half-assed approach is giving the Trumpians time to establish a counter. Hit them hard, hit them fast with solid evidence. Sitting around and waiting is giving credibility, whether real or imagined, to the notion that its a bluff and they really don't have anything substantial on him. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... Right now, the Republican image is that they are fully in defense of Trump and willing to whitewash anything and everything Trump does. Let that image stew, and see what happens. It's going to hinge on public opinion. There are a couple of things that are up in the air (subpoenas, Rudy's "report etc), Christmas & New Year's holidaze, etc. Then there will be the Senate Circus, where the republicans will say anything except admit to the evidence. January should allow time for people to actually start thinking if they want the next president to
Because acquitting him will give the future president/s that license. Which of course, should be part of campaigning against any republicans that vote to acquit. Right now the polls are split on impeach/remove (basically 49% to 48%). Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
I heard one commentator say that the impeachment is necessary to show the rest of the world that the US still respects the rule of law. This impeachment will not amount to one damn thing that's useful."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Interesting avatar.
Hyroglyphx writes: I see this impeachment process as pretty much handing Trump another term on a silver platter. What choice did the House have? No one thinks it a serious lack when the police don't give out jaywalking tickets or when they let most rolling through stop signs go and most rolling right-turn-on-reds go, but people would probably take a pretty dim view of the police letting a bank robbery go.
This impeachment will not amount to one damn thing that's useful. But, continuing the analogy, if the police set a precedent by letting one bank robbery go, don't they have to let all future bank robberies go?
He's not going anywhere because its obvious at this point its based on a popularity contest and not actually identifiable impeachment charges. Even this is absolutely true, what choice did the House have?
When he survives it, and he will just as Clinton did, he and his supporters will use it to their advantage. Trump uses every crime he commits to his advantage. He accuses those who catch him with committing the same crime he committed. He's been trying to blame the 2016 election interference on the Ukraine and the Democrats for the past three years. Rudy Giuliani's Ukraine shenanigans were an attempt to nail this down by getting rid of Yovanovich so that the way was clear to coercing the Ukraine into announcing investigations into the DNC server and the Bidens. Rudy's just returned from another visit to the Ukraine where he supposedly gathered more "evidence" of Ukrainian interference and DNC collusion. It is no coincidence that these are the very crimes Trump is accused of. This is what he does. So it doesn't matter that Trump's mendacity, his domination of the party of no conscience, integrity or backbone, and the gullibility of his supporters will allow him to turn this to his advantage. No matter what he's criticized for in the run-up to the 2020 election, he will turn it to his advantage. Assuming that stooping to his level is not an option the Trump opposition would ever consider, the only option is to keep reporting the facts and telling the truth.
But I really don't think they have anything on him that is going to rise to the level of ousting him... If this isn't impeachable then nothing is.
The Democrats couldn't have picked a worse time to do this either. Again, what choice did they have? --Percy
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