Charismatic Chaos

A system of thought, is, by definition, made up. They say there is. They say different. I left it. You're telling me what you believe and what you've made up and simply denying what others say about their conversions. Why should I accept what you say? You're so provably wrong about everything else, why should anyone accept your story as correct?

AbE Ya know what? You need to acknowledge that I answered your query about conversion. You asked a question, I answered it with the Christian point of view. Your opinion is another subject. ////Other religions do NOT say conversion involves a change in one's nature. Prove it. They do often imitate Christianity (the very idea of faith comes from Christianity, there is no real faith in other religions. They are all lies. You assume they are all on the same level but no, they are imitations and inventions, only Biblical religion is true.)so maybe you'll find an example somewhere but then there won't be any kind of theological system tol support it as I laid out. And how silly of you to say so flatly that a system is by definition made up. Anything at all to say something negative I guess, no need to be logical about it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You say you are a believer. Have you thrown anything (or anyone_) significant away?

Not the Christian point of view Faith but only the dogma of your cult.

Yes Phat, all the God(s) and god(s) that have even been discussed in the Bible or any other sacred text as well as what you call "Mainstream Christianity". I understand that GOD, if GOD exists is not any of the God(s) or god(s) found in the Bible or in any of the other religions. I understand that Christianity is MY chosen path but not "THE" path. I understand that the God Characters in the Bible are all flawed imaginations of simple humans.

Wrong. I once bought into all of the same nonsense that you buy into. The difference is that I realized it was worthless so I returned it and got my money back.The whole idea of Satan being "the bad guy" is nonsense. And the whole idea of free will is useless. Or maybe He's trying to cure you of those beliefs.

Heaven must be REALLY, REALLY LOUD!

All science is wrong, all other faiths are lies, all other Christians are false but somehow you got it right.I'm done with you for this year at least.

yeah, well since you got most of what I say wrong I'm through with you for the rest of the year too.Merry Christmas and Happy New year anyway.

What specifically clued you into the worthlessness of the product? Was it the Deity Himself or was it other believers being hypocritical?

It wasn't one flash of inspiration like you guys seem to want. It was years of mind-numbing stupidity. What deity? If somebody claims there's an all-powerful deity and a dangerous "enemy", why would I believe anything they say? I'm not too concerned about hypocrisy. It's the stupidity of the theology that bothers me. (And I think that deep down you must know how stupid the theology is because you consistently refuse to defend it.)

God, if God exists needs no defending from me. All I can do is to attempt to understand why I embrace an admittedly irrational belief. Much of Biblical Theology is irrational from a human-centric perspective. But a few questions:

Why is the concept of God in general irrational?

Why are so many millions of people somehow deceived where ringo of Saskatchewan one day concludes that critical thinking and evidence suddenly appear so shiningly logical and obvious? Seems to me that you preferred believing in something that you could somewhat fully understand.

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I will admit that the second point only applies to me personally in that I have a hunch that the ultimate answer will not be so stunningly obvious. It was designed to be a mystery. Either humans are en masse deceived pro or con.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

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You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

Time to revisit this argument.So the legend goes, there were three archangels. Michael, Gabrial, and Lucifer.
You know the story.(The dogmatic version, at any rate)Why is the concept of angels so glaringly illogical? And why is the idea that one of them would decide to drink his own Kool-Aid rather than the corporate version so preposterous? He was like you. He decided to think for himself rather than listen to the Boss. It was designed to happen.

That's the kind of bullshit that drove me away from Christianity. I wouldn't say its irrational. I'd say it's unfounded in reality. You should ask yourself the honest question: Why do so many millions of people disagree with your theology? You already know the answer to that. Critical thinking and evidence work. They produced the computer you're looking at, the car you drive, etc. Why would you prefer believing in something you don't understand?

I didn't say it was.The idea of a good God creating evil angels is glaringly stupid. Because he would have known from the beginning that he couldn't win. Of course. Always, always ,always think for yourself. Always. Always. Always. How can you even dispute that?