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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
But not to the point where you can say you know that cars do not exist. You're only looking in one very limited place.
The rest of us do it quite safely, and quite often. Stile writes:
But you haven't - not one single, solitary test that would pass scientific muster. You haven't even specified what "detection of God" would look like.
I've shown you all the rational tests that have been done. Looking for God, pretty much everywhere, and never finding Him.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Perhaps its a bit like looking for a lost hiker in the wilderness. As each day passes, there is a decreasing chance that they are alive or found a spot in which to survive. ringo points out that we can and should keep looking as life has value. John declares that In Him is Life and that Life is the Light of Men. Stile and ringo both may point out that many without His "Light" supposedly do quite well with their own "Light".
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
And on it goes.
Phat writes: Granted you take the message more serious than I do in that you are an ardent proponent of cultural Marxism, or Socialism, or Communism, or whatever you (or we) choose to name it.ringo writes: I call it being a decent human being. Do Christianity and Marxism Have Anything In Common? Forbes writes: Frederick Engels, Karl Marx's sidekick, and benefactor eulogized that Marx's greatest insight was, "men must first of all eat, drink, have shelter and clothing before they can pursue politics, science, art, religion and the like." Jesus asserted the opposite disavowing that faith is predicated on bodily well-being, "Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' . . . But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness" (Matthew 6:31-33).Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You keep assuming I'm a Marxist. I'm not. Do Christianity and Marxism Have Anything In Common? You're more of a Marxist than I am with your predictions of class struggles in the future."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Once again you just pick the pieces parts you want and ignore those parts of the Bible that refute your desired position.
Have you ever actually Read Matthew 6? Does it not begin with Jesus telling folk how to go about giving alms for others. Does it not admit that we all need food, shelter, clothing, protection? Does it not say we need to stop hoarding money for ourselves? Does it not say we need to not worship mammon? Does Matthew 6 not say that it's the little things we do, not for praise or profit that count? Stop living by the conjob Proof Texts. Stop just picking out the whole potato chips or center of the watermelon, stop just picking the pieces out of the Bible that support your desires and look at the whole body of writings. And remember, Matthew 6:31-33 is NOT Matthew. Matthew is 28 Chapters long, not 3 lines. And you will find contradictions between different parts since the author of Matthew was taking material from Mark and at least one other source and even changing and modifying pieces parts to change the emphasis and meanings and product from what Mark marketed to what the author of Matthew wished to market. Read what is actually written and learn the subtle differences in what was being promoted.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 622 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Of course, if there are problems with contradictions in the book that is said to be the Word of God, how do we know what the word really is?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
SB writes: Of course, if there are problems with contradictions in the book that is said to be the Word of God, how do we know what the word really is? We use logic, reason and reality to test what is written. Does a writing point to a model that is of use to all? Does it provide a moral guide to a functioning society? Does the writing teach us how to live today in harmony with other people, things and the environment itself?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 622 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I like that idea: the parts of your bible that offend our reason are to be discarded, the remainder given due consideration!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So let's see, if our reason is "offended by" the idea of the supernatural, then we throw out those parts of the Bible, as Jefferson did. So we'll never know if the supernatural is real in relation to its events, and the Bible is one of the few documents that reveal it to us. That's a certain way to keep us grounded in ignorance I'd say.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If that was true, it should be a clue to you: If only one guy saw a unicorn, he might well be mistaken. So that we we'll never know if the supernatural is real since the Bible is one of the few documents that reveal it to us. But of course it isn't true. Every religion has its own documents that "reveal the supernatural"."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually they don't, they may assert it but they don't reveal it. Not that it would matter anyway since the Bible doesn't have to be the only source of such information. But the Bible specifically describes events in terms of the supernatural AND it reports multiple witnesses of such events besides claiming to be written by direct witnesses. I don't care if you want to believe other accounts of the supernatural, but my point here is very simple. We're talking about the Bible only and one of its elements that "reason" tends to discard is its supernatural accounts, Thomas Jefferson being one famous supposed rationalist who discarded them.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So let's see, if our reason is "offended by" the idea of the supernatural, then we throw out those parts of the Bible, as Jefferson did. So we'll never know if the supernatural is real in relation to its events, and the Bible is one of the few documents that reveal it to us. That is silly Faith, really silly. The Bible reveals nothing in the first place and it certainly cannot reveal anything supernatural.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
the Bible reveals the parting of the Red Sea, the bringing to life of a dead child, the virgin conception of the Messiah, the turning of water into wine, the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ, the instantaneous transportation of Philip to talk with the Ethiopian eunuch, and that's just a few off the top of my head.,
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yawn.
No Faith, the Bible does not reveal those things. It claims and asserts those things.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It describes them within a historical framework. If you want to get all silly semantic about it I don't care, but that's what I mean by its revealing them.
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