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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
sorry realized post I answered was way old.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
it reads like history
It reads nothing like history. I read a lot of history, my academic training is in history. The bible reads like no history. It read like fiction. It reads more like Tolkein and C.S.Lewis than history. Lewis was not a historian. He taught literature not history. If you have an reason to think that Lewis was a historian please present it.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Supply the Lewis quote so it can be examined in context. Lewis was not a historian. His view on history are actually not relevant.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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A holocaust survivor is a more relevant source for their experience, but a historian that studied that period would be an actual expert on the holocaust and that period. Experts are experts for a reason. A holocaust survivor is not an expert on the holocaust. They are on expert on their own personal experience. Nothing more. This is a very silly argument.
C.S Lewis was not an expert on History or historical texts. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
So you agree with me that he is solely an expert on his own personal experience and admit your analogy with the holocaust survivor was silly and did not support any of your arguments.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Provide the sources that show him claiming this so we can examine the context. And no he was not an expert on history. I fail to see why you think the claim is helpful or relevant.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Seemingly C.S. Lewis did not agree with you.
C. S. Lewis on Inerrancy, Inspiration, and Historicity of Scripture
quote: quote: quote: Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
So you admit you were lying for Jesus? You made these outlandish claims about what C.S. Lewis said and you have absolutely know evidence to back up the claims. You have hit a new low even for you.
No one can trust anything you say, because your claims are rife with lies and dishonesty. I know you do not wonder why no one trusts you. You know why. You are an admitted troll that will say anything to support your viewpoint. You believe that lying for Jesus is a just and right thing to do. I wish I could say it amazes me that someone that claims such a moral high ground resorts so easily to such amoral behavior, but alas it does not, it is par for the course when dealing with fundies. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Amazing that you cannot present us with that quote.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
For every Lewis quote fundies think supports their view, there are many more that do not.
Here is a good site that goes through Lewis's non-fundie writings. Unlike Faith the person who wrote this uses actual quotes and gives the original source material.CS LEWIS – The most beloved heretic – The Reluctant Skeptic Here are a couple that are especially illuminating'
quote: quote: quote: quote: quote: Lewis did not believe that the bible was inerrant. Though he was a very fervent christian he believed in evolution and that the people that wrote the bible and the Jesus character were fallible people. Still waiting on the quotes and sources that support Faith's claims.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
I just finished reading "Mere Christianity". What a painful slog through nothingness.
I could find nothing in there that resembles anything close to what you claim. Do you really think we will not examine your claims. After I finished reading it I did a word search to see if I missed something in my reading. I searched, history, fiction and bible. There was nothing that resembles your claims. Care to try again? Care to retract the claim? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Maybe you should confirm before you accuse? Without the context of what was said or who actually said it, we have no way of knowing if being told you were in a cult is justified or not.
Believing in biblical miracle is down the road to cultishness in my view. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Wow!
LOL. What a maroon. I knew the context was other than what he made it seem. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
I suppose when the economy does go to shit, you and your ilk will blame the "socialists". You will completely exonerate donnie, the conservatives corporations and the wealthy. They will all be waiting for the handout they will be giving themselves.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Why is it that the nutball fundies always need to claim that nonbelievers are suppressing belief or are mad at their god?
Many non-believers have never had a belief in a god. How can we be suppressing something that never was. And why the hell would I be mad at some entity that does not exist. Then Phat will turn it all around and say he is being oppressed. All a bunch of freakin' nutballs.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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