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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I humbly ask you to reconsider! I humbly ask you to look inside yourself and see if you're really so concerned about my spiritual well-being - me, a guy you've never met, who eats babies for all you know - or if what you're really after is the pride and acclaim that would come from bagging a hardened, arrogant, ex-believer atheist into the fold. I swear sometimes it's like folks are trying to count coup on me. Like I'm the big atheist white buffalo. If your God exists, he had his chance when I actually believed. None of what you describe as a loving, personal relationship occured from his end. Just from mine.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I admit that it is a pride thing. And I will say that you irritate me but not as much as Consequent or Wm Scott! I know that I irritate some of you, as well! I do not think that it matters as long as, overall, we help each other think more outside of our own box in a helpful way rather than in a way in which we hurt others and kill their faith because some church killed ours.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I do not think that it matters as long as, overall, we help each other think more outside of our own box in a helpful way rather than in a way in which we hurt others and kill their faith because some church killed ours. You'll pardon me if I don't seem to see the reason to avoid stepping on a few toes, if all that's going to happen is that somebody is going to lose faith in a lie. But I promise not to be the first one to bring up God, like always. But if somebody's going to inject God into the conversation, then an appropriate question at that point is whether or not he exists. We kind of have to cover that before we can know anything else about God, right? Phatboy writes: Yes, we do. I say He does, and you say He does not, am I right? I guess that we are a bit off topic about Human Races, but seeing as how this subtopic is the question of whether or not God stepped out of eternity and through a Virgin Birth entered the Human Race as a man, we are still there. [This message has been edited by Phatboy, 02-17-2004]
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steelspring1 Inactive Member |
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http://www.intracen.org/...pers/country%20paper_mongolia.pdf http://www.agr.gc.ca/mad-dam/e/bulletine/v16e/v16n06_e.htm http://www.friends-partners.org/...culture/rusag.940725.html ,亚洲AV无码一区二区三区国产,挺进绝色邻居的紧窄小肉,亚洲 欧美 日韩 精品 自拍 Some useful adresses for everyone who wants to know about the Siberian wheat production.Very good information about the wheat production in Mongolia Also a very importand point . Why Mongolians believe that they sin digging the earth.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Some useful adresses for everyone who wants to know about the Siberian wheat production. None of your links mention wheat from Siberia. Oh, sure, we import wheat from the Ukraine. Everybody knows that. But the Ukraine isn't Siberia. We import their wheat not because we can't grow it ourselves but because it buoys the Ukrainian economy. Surely you know the difference between Siberia and the Ukraine?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...or that Eric Clapton or Stevie Ray Vaughn can't sing the blues? ...or that Eminem or the Beastie Boys can't rap? ...or that Marian Anderson can't sing opera? ...or that Jimi Hendrix couldn't rock? ...or Chuck Barry, a black man, wasn't one of the ORIGINATORS of rock n roll?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Don't worry, you can't force anyone to do anything. What I am asking for is any good reason, a fact-based, rather than opinion-based reason, to consider what you are saying as valid.
quote: Assume we can't "read meanings behind words." Be very clear, and please directly address the comments and rebuttals to your claims. Ignoring evidence that contradicts your opinion is bad form, and so is repeating your original claims without additional evidence.
quote: Really? You can discern differences in mental and spiritual aspects of races? Based upon what studies and surveys do you say this? Please provide a link to this evidence. Also, can you please list for us all of the different races on the planet and the differences in mental ability and spiritualness (?) between them?
quote: So, how would you expect a Nigerian child who is adopted by a family in Norway, to act, mentally and spiritually, according to your claims that race determines these factors?
quote: Ah, the old "nature vs. Nurture" concept. Well, please address my hypothetical scenario above.
quote: Well, all people do have melanin, skin, and teeth. Except those with albinism. They don't have any melanin. The thing is, you are not only describing the characteristics of different ethnic groups. You are making these vague, unsupported claims of "mental and spiritual" differences between as-yet-unstated racial groups. It's great to claim stuff, but now you have to show what evidence you base this claim upon.
quote: Please define "conciousness of race". "Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I couldn't find any government info about the US importing wheat from Siberia, but you are correct that wheat is cultivated in those parts of the world. However, the growing of wheat is a modern industry there. The native people were nomads, not farmers.
quote: Horses graze on the grass of the steppes. Remember that the Mongol horses are actually more like tough, hardy ponies. The Huns once ruled most of the world, you know. It was the stirrups (that they invented and everyone then copied) that made them such a formidable cavalry.
quote: Please support your statement with any kind of evidence.
quote: I do not understand, please be more clear.
quote: Please explain how technology is not part of "way of thinking" and "culture". For example, please explain how the discovery and use of gunpowder to make weapons of war did not affect the "way of thinking" and "culture" of the Chinese?
quote: Um, no it isn't. The only duty of being an American, as I see it, is to participate in the democratic process to make sure the government doesn't become too powerful.
quote: What does national pride have to do with race??
quote: The only native people here were probably nomads from mongolia that crossed a land bridge 30,000 years ago or so. Long after that, Scandinavian and European explorers and settlers arrived, and then recently, many immigrants from all over the world. Really, no people originated here. Humans originated in Africa. Much deleted due to incoherence.
quote: No, you are not talking about races. You are talking about cultures and ethnic groups.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
schrafinator writes: I do know that in the general consensus of scriptural interpretation, the following scripture is defined in context You are making these vague, unsupported claims of "mental and spiritual" differences between as-yet-unstated racial groupsMatt 24:6-7=Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. Nations are ethnic groups such as Croatians and Serbians. Kingdoms are countries such as Iraq and the United States. Thus, if Jesus is correct, there will continue to be conflict on earth due to the mental and/or spiritual differences between groups. I suppose that to be fair, Jesus WAS referring to ethnic vs ethnic and Country vs Country. He does not mention race vs race. Good thing, because I love my friends of different races! The reason for war and hatred is the conflict between spirits. There are basically only two spirits.The Holy Spirit, and____________________. This is why Jesus said
Matt 12:30-31="He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.(from New International Version) [This message has been edited by Phatboy, 02-17-2004]
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steelspring1 Inactive Member |
A Definition Of Civilization
by Philip Atkinson All Human inventions are first thoughts before they become things. So the creations of communities such as cities, governments, armies, as well as communal achievements such as conquests and discoveries everything that goes to make a civilization must spring from a community's thoughts. Hence: Civilization: is the tangible expression of a communal understanding. Communal Understanding: is that single perception allowed by the set of values common to each member of a community. For example it is this influence that decided one community to persecute the scientist Galileo and suppress his notions, while another community to honour the scientist Isaac Newton and embrace his notions. It decides what the community thinks and does. Expressed And Refined By ConversationCommunal Understanding exists, as it is expressed, in the unique language of the citizens, who mould it by their conversation. Conversation is: the daily expression and exchange of individual opinions; a mechanism that refines communal understanding by promoting popular, while suppressing unpopular, notions. That is, all those ideas which match common feelings of right and wrong, will be repeated and magnified into reasons to act, while those which receive little or no support will inevitably be ignored; which makes conversation the ideas filter, or the mind, of the community. A Community: being that group of people sharing a common understanding who reveal themselves by using the same language, manners, tradition and law. A Communal Mind: is similar in operation to an individual mind, except that audible conversation replaces silent thoughts; but the mechanism of understanding is the same ideas, expressed in words, which are filtered by a code of values to determine which should become reasons for action. If a man is an irrational vegetarian crank whose conversation is mainly tirades against imaginary persecutors, then it is this process that will decide the man's future whether as a despised social outcast, or as an absolute monarch, like Hitler. This does not mean that everyone believes what is popular, but unpopular concepts are ignored. Consequently: the term: "Advancement of technology" who`s gorgeous idea is?Sounds like materialistic madness. Bible says "Race of Adam and Kain" not culture of Adam and Kain The descendants of a common ancestor; a family, tribe, people, or nation, believed or presumed to belong to the same stock; a lineage; a breed. "The whole race of mankind." (Shak) "Whence the long race of Alban fathers come." (Dryden) Naturalists and ehnographers divide mankind into several distinct varieties, or races. Cuvier refers them all to three, Pritchard enumerates seven, Agassiz eight, Pickering describes eleven. One of the common classifications is that of Blumenbach, who makes five races: the Caucasian, or white race, to which belong the greater part of the European nations and those of Western Asia; the Mongolian, or yellow race, occupying Tartary, China, Japan, etc.; the Ethiopian, or negro race, occupying most of Africa (except the north), Australia, Papua, and other Pacific Islands; the American, or red race, comprising the Indians of North and South America; and the Malayan, or brown race, which occupies the islands of the Indian Archipelago, etc. Many recent writers classify the Malay and American races as branches of the Mongolian. 24 best poker books for beginners to read in 2022 - POKER.MD
removed underline format that made for extremely difficult reading. Please restrict formating such as underline and bold to emphasise points, not entire posts - The Queen [This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 02-17-2004]
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Steelspring1, do you plan to respond to my specific questions or not?
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steelspring1 Inactive Member |
"""because I love my friends of different races! """
I am not religius but i have to say that you are right Phatboy.Nice and realistic position.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Naturalists and ehnographers divide mankind into several distinct varieties, or races. Don't you see that this refutes your position? How can race exist if nobody can even agree on what the races are?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
steelspring1 writes: And think, for a moment how this statement ties in with the Tower of Babel language analogy. A Communal Mind: is similar in operation to an individual mind, except that audible conversation replaces silent thoughts; but the mechanism of understanding is the same ideas, expressed in words, which are filtered by a code of values to determine which should become reasons for action.Gen 11:1-7 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth." But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
The KJV says that Gen 11:6=now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. So again, we have two flows in the Bible. Flow#1:Submit to God or Flow#2:imagine your own destiny.
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steelspring1 Inactive Member |
What does national pride have to do with race??
Nothing. But if there is a pride for the nation as an expretion of a communal feeling, i don`t see why not for the race communal feeling also. Please explain how technology is not part of "way of thinking" and "culture". For example, please explain how the discovery and use of gunpowder to make weapons of war did not affect the "way of thinking" and "culture" of the Chinese? To affect something is diferent than to create or produce. How elecricity affected the Italian opera?-Maybe we had better lights on stage , maybe the show could be played later at night . Electricity affected something , but it didn`t create the opera , and surely didn`t cancel it.Some people chanded profesion , fassions appeared , but people always stays with the basical senses of friendship , love, good or bad, always gets married . Things changed in the dimension of speed, convenience and Volume.Not in the content. Blackpowder changed the war tactics ,but not the way of the man thinking.
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