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Message 1519 of 2370 (869465)
12-30-2019 7:50 PM
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12-30-2019 11:53 AM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
\ Repeatable does not mean that the events are repeatable. We can not repeat the destruction of the World trade Center but we can be very sure that it did happen.
I listed a number of criteria that I believe make it possible for there to be scientific knowledge about something. Repeatability is an important one, but I also listed "witnesses" referring to events that have been seen by many or reported in writing, which certainly describes the WTC event.
My point is that the geological phenomena that are PREHISTORIC, meaning without any sort of witness evidence, and ONE-TIME events, meaning unrepeatable, are not testable science, and although by comparison with other similar phenomena we may know SOME things about them, the accepted theory about the strata and the fossils is a wild interpretation that has no testability and I believe yields to the interpretation of the Flood as the far better explanation.
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Message 1522 of 2370 (869494)
12-31-2019 1:17 PM
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12-31-2019 10:43 AM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
I did not mention the people on the ark and a one time event is pretty much the definition of nonrepeatability.

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Message 1524 of 2370 (869497)
12-31-2019 1:35 PM
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12-31-2019 1:28 PM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
Do you have ANY idea what I've said about ANY of this or are you making it all up off the top of your head?

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Message 1526 of 2370 (869504)
12-31-2019 2:01 PM
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12-31-2019 1:57 PM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological pastYou really
I don't trust your memory. You need to quote me. And since you are writing in the context of THIS thread quoting what I've said HERE would be the fair place to start.

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Message 1528 of 2370 (869510)
12-31-2019 2:27 PM
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12-31-2019 2:25 PM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological pastYou really
You don't have to "wade" through anything, just stop pretending you are quoting me when you may be misremembering what I said and probably didn't understand it in the first place. Your negative attitude toward what you think I said is good enough reason for you to be extra careful about what you impute to me instead of just tossing it out as you do. I have not mentioned anything about witnesses on the ark on this thread and your talking about them takes us off topic anyway.
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Message 1539 of 2370 (869554)
01-02-2020 1:53 AM
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01-02-2020 1:27 AM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
Seems to me such a sandwich would show the fossil order idea to be a crock. Either it progresses from marine to land or it doesn't progress at all. The Flood has no problem with any motley collection of sediments and fossils, it's you guys who insist there is an order that we have to explain. But we don't. Really there isn't any such thing anyway as marine or land sediments, maybe fossils but not sediments. Or if they originated in one or the other location why would it matter since the water would carry them willynilly wherever it willed anyway.
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Message 1545 of 2370 (869586)
01-02-2020 1:46 PM
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01-02-2020 10:43 AM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
If the event isn't repeatable then you have no science and that is the problem with the one-time events of Prehistory. Hisotrical events on the other hand often have witneses which may be written records or even monuments in some cases. I was merely tryihng to list the criteria I think allow for scientific knowledge. Repeatability is one, the famous one of laboratory sciences where you can do experiments over and over to test them in various ways. Witness evidence is another.

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Message 1546 of 2370 (869587)
01-02-2020 1:48 PM
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01-02-2020 1:01 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
I thought that marine life preceded land life in the "fossil order" that's all. What's the big deal? If you have marine sediments presumably they contain the fossils of marine creatures, and land sediments contain fossils of land creatures. What is the problem?

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Message 1550 of 2370 (869604)
01-02-2020 2:43 PM
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01-02-2020 2:05 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
Love how you guys rewrite your theory every time it's challenged.

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Message 1552 of 2370 (869609)
01-02-2020 3:01 PM
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01-02-2020 2:55 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
Facts? Na. Purely imaginative conjurings.

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Message 1554 of 2370 (869625)
01-02-2020 3:41 PM
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01-02-2020 3:09 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
But of course. In reality there are NO "land" sediments or fossils since all were transported in the Flood waters, and therefore marine creatures were carried all the way through the whole fossil record. But alternating marine and land sediments? Doesn't compute.l
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Message 1557 of 2370 (869629)
01-02-2020 3:52 PM
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01-02-2020 3:46 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
No, all that is what is assumed, based only on the ToE. If you believe against all reason that each layer of sediment represents a time period of millions of years then of course you are going to interpret some of it in terms of their land origin. In reality they were all deposited by the Flood water no matter what their original location.

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Message 1562 of 2370 (869675)
01-03-2020 4:54 PM
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01-03-2020 2:30 PM


Re: layers don’t represent time periods
Yes they do represent time periods. Just look at the model in the Grand Canyon office. Just look at any illustration. Yes they do. The time is measured on the rocks. So don't give me that. And if all you mean is there is some overlap you've got the same problem of getting from a time period to a rock anyway. The whole thing is a miserable failure but we have to make the ToE work no matter what, don't we? Can't let some stupid creationist tell us we're wrong.
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Faith 
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Message 1565 of 2370 (869681)
01-03-2020 5:43 PM
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01-03-2020 5:16 PM


Re: layers don’t represent time periods
It doesn't matter when the sediments were deposited within the time period though you are all bending over backwards to pretend it makes a difference. You still have the problem wthat it makes a huge rock that ends up in the geological column that would prevent anything from living on that spot for that part of the time period and that means nothing is evolving from anything because nothing is even living where that rock is. So you think the creatures lived on top of it and died and got buried in it? This is too tiresome.

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Faith 
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Message 1568 of 2370 (869688)
01-03-2020 10:38 PM
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01-03-2020 9:19 PM


Re: layers don’t represent time periods
You're missing the point, RAZD. The kind of rock doesn't matter, the problem is that there is a rock there at all where supposedly there was once a place where there were living things.

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