I Know That God Does Not Exist

There were many dissident Christian churches outside the RCC during those years, such as the Waldensians and Albigensians and others, which in some cases hid out in places like valleys high in the Alps. They were persecuted by the RCC of course. I've many times posted the information that over 600 years the RCC murdered some 50 million true Christians, along with a few million Jews and others. When the Protestant Reformation came along they recognized these earlier persecuted churches as precursor Protestants. There were of course some true Christians within the RCC, usually priests because they were the only ones who got to read the Bible and know the truth. The Refomers were after all mostly priests who got to read the Bible and that's how they came to realize the RCC was a pagan superstition and not true Christianity, and it was the Bible that showed them that the papacy was the Antichrist. Anyway yes it was the dominant "church" in Christianity for a millennium, but also yes, it was largely a pagan counterfeit. Reading history is often better than visiting Europe if you want to understand it all. Germany has retained much of its Catholicism of course. Hitler was a Catholic and the pope in his day supported him and was the main provider of escape for the Nazis after the war. And some of the lands lost to Protestantism were reclaimed by the RCC too, such as Poland, which was for a while Protestant.I could go on but so what? You'll believe whatever you want to believe and since you grew up Catholic that's where your sympathies lie even if you have rejected it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You're allowed to be in whichever camp you desire.The point of this thread would get to your thoughts like this:1) You counting your subjective experience as evidence is fine for you personally - but not for "knowing" God if we define "knowing things" as we use the term in everyday life: facts that are supported by tests against reality. Your subjective experience does not qualify for these types of facts.2) You needing God, and therefore believing in God, can be part of a very healthy lifestyle. It just has no impact on facts, or knowing things.And, yes, having people agree with us (about anything) is always 'positive feedback' for people on any idea.
But, again, "having people agree with us" has nothing to do with facts tested against reality in order to suggest knowing God exists or not.

That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm asking you to be specific about what makes the idea of gods illogical. It seems pretty clear that you can't do it.

Surely you don’t want to be wrong about absolutely everything? Including my deep loathing of the Catholic Church?

Huh...

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Of course spiritually regenerated people object to reality, and it's always reality they object to. Reality killed whole tribes of people due to their ignorance. The spiritually regenerated hate that of course, but, in reality, shit happens. We are to learn from it that ignorance is a terrible offense that will be severely punished by reality.

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Interesting.

Observations, eh?Seems similar to this:

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mike the wiz was always someone on the precipice of intellectual maturity but because of his own personal ignorance he has not progressed and is still on what reality would call, "immature" as an adult, mixing the philosophies and opinions and beliefs of men with reality.

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Yes you're right of course, I forget you've said you loathe the Catholic Church, so there has to be another reason why you're wrong about their place in history.

You could always try reading some actual history of course. Without it your late coming marginal sect wouldn't even exist.History of the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

Yes if you want to you can just call it reality, because of course it is reality, and what's the point of objecting to reality? But when it is interpreted in terms of biblical revelation then people do object to it when instead of calling it reality we call it God's doing, and biblically most disasters can be attributed to some form of God's judgment for sin. It's one of the most common complaints here at EvC, perhaps THE most common, to consider God some kind of monster because of the calamities of what we otherwise know to be mere reality.GDR for instance rejects the annihilation of some people in the OT because he refuses to think of God as that kind of "evil" being, who would commit what he calls "genocide." But of course genocide is murder, and judgment is justice. Others reject the whole religion because of such accounts.So my point is that it takes spiritual discernment to understand such events as judgment for sin so that we can learn from them. Not exactly sure what you are trying to say except that you seem to want to contradict my point. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What you call "actual history" would be what? Catholic apologestics perhaps? I've read, and heard, plenty of actual history which I doubt you have a clue about."Without it," by which I guessx you mean the RCC, ,my "sect" by which I guess you mean Protestantism? wouldn't even exist? What an utterly silly thing to say. Protestantism was the result of Catholic priests reading the Bible and realizing that what the RCC taught was false. These Reformers took a huge portion of Europe out of the hands of the RCC. Whole nations became Protestant. People began to read the Bible and paganism waned. What "history" are you referring to?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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GDR for instance rejects the annihilation of some people in the OT because he refuses to think of God as that kind of "evil" being, who would commit what he calls "genocide."

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And as was shown, is actually genocide. Or would be if it wasn’t fictiion.

I don't care what you read, just read something that calls itself a history, not a religious tract. The Catholic church founded Christianity and for almost all of antiquity it and Orthodox WAS Christianity. In historical terms, all other Christian sects are minority opinions that would not exist if Catholicism hadn't become an enormous political, military and financial force.

You do know, of course, that what you say here is exactly what I was referring to as the "fleshly" inability to understand the things of the spirit, in the case I was describing God's judgments for sin, and you are showing quite nicely that just as I said you don't LIKE that idea. So what else is new?

Something that calls itself a history? Obviously what you mean is what YOU prefer to call a history, not what calls itself a history. It's really sad that you dismiss actual historical truth as "religion." You have no idea swhat you are talking about, but you do exemplify the sad state of things these days. The Reformers for instance wrote actual history. ACTUAL history. Many other Protestants also wrote actual history. But I suppose you refuse to accept what they write as history?.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What exactly are you complaining about?