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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
ringo
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Message 1560 of 2370 (869656)
01-03-2020 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1545 by Faith
01-02-2020 1:46 PM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
Faith writes:
If the event isn't repeatable then you have no science and that is the problem with the one-time events of Prehistory.
Nonsense. As I pointed out, murders are one-time events and we have no trouble investigating them scientifically.
Faith writes:
Hisotrical events on the other hand often have witnesses which may be written records or even monuments in some cases.
And witnesses are the worst source of evidence in a murder investigation. Witnesses lie, or they're just mistaken.
Faith writes:
I was merely tryihng to list the criteria I think allow for scientific knowledge.
And you were wrong. Your version of 'repeatability' is not a criterion for scientific knowledge.
Faith writes:
Repeatability is one, the famous one of laboratory sciences where you can do experiments over and over to test them in various ways.
Again, it is repeatability of the experiments that is important to science, not repeatability of the events. No scientist, no sensible person, would suggest that you have to be able to repeat a murder or an earthquake to investigate it scientifically. Or a flood. We have floods every year and we investigate them scientifically.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1593 of 2370 (876844)
05-29-2020 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1592 by dad
05-29-2020 2:23 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
In the case of Adam, we are told he went back to dust. No fossil possible.
You're shooting a lot of creationists in the foot. They like to claim that, "There should be a lot more fossils," but now you're agreeing with reality.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1595 of 2370 (876863)
05-29-2020 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1594 by dad
05-29-2020 2:52 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
I try to agree with reality.
Then you'll have to give up the Flood fairy tale.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1604 of 2370 (876908)
05-30-2020 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1596 by dad
05-29-2020 7:07 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
However, science claims must be supported in ways other than beliefs.
The main story of Noah and the flood has not changed.
Is that your best argument? "I know you are but what am I?"
At least try to link your fairy tale to reality.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1615 of 2370 (877010)
06-01-2020 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1612 by dad
06-01-2020 3:34 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
There is no science in so called sciences that deal in origins. The name is falsely applied.
Again, you do not get to define science. Nobody cares what you think science is.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1623 of 2370 (877608)
06-19-2020 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1619 by dad
06-19-2020 2:16 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
No one gets to define science....
Scientists get to define science.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1625 of 2370 (877614)
06-19-2020 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1624 by Phat
06-19-2020 10:39 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Phat writes:
Science will never prove nor disprove God nor the Risen Christ because neither of them can be tested.
Actually, they can. It isn't a definitive test but lack of evidence is a test. You accept that lack of evidence indicates non-existence of fairies, Loch Ness Monster, leprechauns, etc. don't you?
And a hiding God is pretty lame theology too.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1627 of 2370 (877617)
06-19-2020 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1626 by Phat
06-19-2020 10:49 AM


Re: Dad and Science
Phat writes:
Well actually some of us *do* care.
I wasn't including people who grasp at any straw to prop up their failed beliefs.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1629 of 2370 (877619)
06-19-2020 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1628 by Phat
06-19-2020 10:53 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Phat writes:
Yes but not on the grounds of lack of evidence. I reject them based on my belief.
That's much worse, rejecting beliefs that are as valid or more valid than your own just because they interfere with the belief that you fell into by accident.
Phat writes:
You dont get to define what does and does not *make* God lame.
Yes I do.
Phat writes:
You also dont get to define evidence over the entire Forum.
I'm not. I'm using the accepted definition of evidence.
Phat writes:
You best stick to the science side should you choose to throw that word around.
Faith and belief is not necessarily a blind rejection of evidence. We have every right to talk about evidence over here.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1634 of 2370 (877791)
06-21-2020 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1632 by dad
06-21-2020 2:56 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
I am more interested in truth and actual meanings.
Clearly not. You haven't presented a single fact to support your position. All you've done is scoff at science.
dad writes:
Belief based conclusion are not knowledge or real science, regardless of what some cultish, deluded, self aggrandizing, clueless eggheads may think, in my humble opinion.
You contradict yourself, Mr. Humility-who-knows-more-than-anybody-else.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1638 of 2370 (877822)
06-22-2020 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1636 by dad
06-21-2020 11:58 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
My position is that science does not know.
If science doesn't know, who does? If science doesn't know, how did it produce the computer you're looking at?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1648 of 2370 (878353)
06-29-2020 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1640 by dad
06-28-2020 4:08 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
If science doesn't know, it doesn't know and should shut up about it.
Did you notice the word "if"? I said IF science doesn't know....
It does.
dad writes:
If you claim it does then you should post about it.
I did:
quote:
If science doesn't know, how did it produce the computer you're looking at?
Did scientists invent computers by using the same methods that you claim don't work? Or did creationists invent computers by reading the Bible?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1649 of 2370 (878354)
06-29-2020 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1646 by dad
06-29-2020 2:34 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
Except I gave two examples in post 1642.
Those examples can not be verified empirically - like the examples of talking bears. Therefore they can not be considered evidence.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1653 of 2370 (878391)
06-29-2020 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1651 by dad
06-29-2020 3:28 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
If you claim you did post evidence then give the link. Computers have nothing to do with origins sciences.
Science is science whether it has to do with the origin of the earth or the origin of computers.
The question remains: If science is as clueless as you say, how did it come up with computers?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1654 of 2370 (878392)
06-29-2020 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1652 by dad
06-29-2020 3:30 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
No one said science could or should be able to verify it either way. Science is far far too small and weak and handicapped to do so.
So you're giving up all claims to what you're saying being science. Good.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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