I Know That God Does Not Exist

The truth that you market is the "truth" compiled through human "evidence". The truth I seek to present is that of an eternally alive Jesus Christ, (Gods very human character) communing with humanity. Being an atheist, you support a human-created(or evolving) truth.The whole point is to be able to commune with God.

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The truth that you market is the "truth" compiled through human "evidence". The truth I seek to present is that of an eternally alive Jesus Christ, (Gods very human character) communing with humanity. Being an atheist, you support a human-created(or evolving) truth.

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That’s the apologists point of view. Having decided on your truth the real truth does not matter. Where I endorse the best efforts of humans to discover the truth you reject them, setting yourself up as a false god. Hardly a Christian attitude.

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The whole point is to be able to commune with God.

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No, the whole point is to set yourself up as the determiner of truth.

It is a believer who believes that there really is or was a GOD who was the creator of all that is, seen and unseen.Think Phat. Have you ever read the Bible? The God in Genesis 1 is such a critter, one who creates simply by will, who never hesitates, who is never unsure and who looks on all that was created and finds it all good BUT who also has absolutely no contact with the creation.The idea is really not all that far fetched or unusual.You what it seems to be preferred over everything else and so create a God in YOUR image.I believe GOD exists but am honest enough to admit that all the evidence shows it is not any of the God(s) or god(s) described in any human literature. They are all just the creation of other humans.And we still have no clue who wrote Genesis. Yet the reality is that I am a member of a recognized Chapter of Club Christian. I am a Christian and thus also the theist and not secular. But remember Jesus was never a Christian but the writings show him as a humanist.

One who rejects all cults equally? A big one?

On the other hand, the idea of a deity hasn't even got a veneer of logic. Even the ancients, who used the analogy of a blacksmith at a forge to imagine a supernatural entity whose hammer raised sparks that made the heat and light of a volcano must have known that the connection was more literary than literal when they invented Hephaestus. The "modern" concept of a creator deity who wasn't himself created, who somehow knows and commands everything but also allows free will, who punishes evil and rewards good, except everywhere we might be actually able to look for those rewards and punishments, who is praised for enabling the winning touchdown but not blamed for the blocked, losing field goal attempt, that idea doesn't even have a fig-leaf of rationality!

On the contrary, it's only after the West watered down the fierce religious madness that gave us everything from the 30 Years War to brutal attacks on gays (How much would Alan Turing have accomplished if the morality police hadn't hounded him!) that the West made progress. Look elsewhere at the places in thrall to nutbucket ideologies from Mohammed to Marx to see what the West would be if Christianity weren't a (somewhat) tamed religion.

This is another error that I attribute (in general) to critical thinkers who fancy themselves logical and not prone to mythos or legend. You all want a BIG God, should One exist. When the whole point of the Trinity and that view is to make GOD personal rather than extremely huuuuge, (like "The Force" in Star Wars. ) PaulK doesn't get it. He claims that it's our job to define reality. jar doesn't get it. Rather than dare to believe in an illogical God(according to his own reasoning) he would rather paint a picture of a misguided religion full of hucksters trying to sell a product that is distastefully easy. Perhaps jars morality demanded that humans pay their own way rather than get a free pass. The other side maintains that a free pass is the only way for the human-animal to make it---a leap of faith as it is.My POV is that God is knowable and approachable. Due entirely to His initiative.Critics claim it is the God I want. Damn right it is. Some disinterested force hiding behind a galaxy somewhere is irrelevant to me. If He is the real God, may He smite me forever for daring to ignore Him.

It seems to me it is the human definitions and expectations that are illogical. A Deity by definition need not fit our terms of rationality.

Yet look at the deity you create, one that not just favors humans over other creation but favors you over other humans. One that is in communion with you even though you admit there is no way to really know that you are in communion with anything other than your own fears and desires.True, the Deity you create does not fit any terms of reason, logic, rationality or reality but it does fit your own needs and desires.

Possibly, but "human" terms of rationality are all we have to work with at the present.

The way Christianity gets subsumed under the evil actions of its enemies makes conversation difficult.

Compare the parts of the world where religion is zealous, such as Afghanistan or Syria or Northern Ireland to places like the United States or Japan or France (or indeed, almost all of the civilized "West"!). See the difference?

And yet you can't give a single example of a logical error.

You're being dishonest. You yourself constantly refer to "the Creator of all that is". That is necessarily a big God. And yet your fruit doesn't show any sign of His presence.

I'm moving this argument out of the science-based topic. It resumes in another thread. Message 309Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.