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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
Faith 
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Message 1570 of 2370 (869691)
01-03-2020 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1569 by Coragyps
01-03-2020 11:25 PM


Re: layers don’t represent time periods
Yes I kinow that's what you think ahd I think you are wrong, I think it was all deposited by the Flood. HOWEVER, that is another subject. The point is that you can't have a time period that is completely occupied by a rock.

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Faith 
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Message 1578 of 2370 (869715)
01-04-2020 8:49 PM
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01-04-2020 1:42 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
If a rock replaces either a landscape or a waterscape, whether it takes overnight or a million years, it displaces living things. They die. They do not pass on their genes let alone evolve into something else.
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Faith 
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Message 1579 of 2370 (869717)
01-04-2020 9:40 PM
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01-04-2020 1:42 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
Take an aquarium
Place it outside (where it can overflow)
Fill it with water
Take a handful of dirt (or diatomaceous earth)
Sprinkle it over the water
Let it settle
repeat steps 4 through 7 until the aquarium is full of wet dirt
Take a ruler and a sharpie and draw lines at 1" levels
Mark them A, B, C, etc from the bottom up
Observe the results:
First result, if there was anything living the aquarium when you started this process, it died long before it was completely "full of wet dirt."
How did layers of different size particles form in the aquarium?
Is it a repeating pattern of coarse to fine particles in those layers?
How did the sets of coarse and fine particle layers come to be inside layer A? layer B? etc
How did these sediment particles come to "occupy" layer A? layer B? etc
Do the layers A, B, C, etc of particles represent the passage of time?
Do the different paired layers of fine particles and coarse particles represent the passage of time?
If the fine particle layers represented winters, and the coarse layers represent summers, how many "years" would have passed to fill the aquarium?
What on earth do you think you are trying to prove by this? My point has been that the sediment/rock will DISPLACE LIVING THINGS in this "time period" whether landscape or marinescape, and obviously that is exactly what would happen. They'd get buried and possibly fossilize; but they'd no longer be living and passing on their genes.
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Faith 
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Message 1581 of 2370 (869723)
01-05-2020 1:57 AM
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01-05-2020 1:48 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
It's a ROCK, vimesey. At some point it is a ROCK. There is no landscape there for them to live in, it's a ROCK. It is NOW a rock in a deep column of rocks. You actually think anything was living on the surface of any of them? You guys are not thinking it through.

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Faith 
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Message 1583 of 2370 (869725)
01-05-2020 2:03 AM
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01-05-2020 1:48 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
Yes humans and animals continue to live on top of the buried villas, or the buried towns or whatever, but remember the geo column is a stack of rocks and the next rock is going to bury them too. No, you are not going to get a stack of straight flat slabs of rock with the villa in one of them. Do you really think that?

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Faith 
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Message 1584 of 2370 (869726)
01-05-2020 2:06 AM
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01-05-2020 2:01 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
You are not going to get a straight flat slab of rock lithified under tons of dirt, that is then going to become just one straight flat slab of rock in a whole stack of straight flat slabs or rock. You are truly not thinking. Straight and flat? Under tons of loose dirt? Loose dirt that doesn't itself lithify? Or if it lithifies isn't going to be straight and flat. What are you guys thinking? You just are NOT thinking. You have to end up with a deep stack of STRAIGHT, FLAT SLABS of rock that extend for thousands of square miles, many of homogeneous sediments, all sandstone or all limestone or all shale etc.
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Faith 
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Message 1587 of 2370 (869729)
01-05-2020 2:36 AM
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01-05-2020 2:16 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
The rocks in the geological column are a sequence of former surfaces which became rock (lithified) a long time after they got buried beneath a whole sequence of new surfaces.
Do you actually think that makes sense? A "sequence of surfaces?" You mean like what we now see as the surfaces of the strata? But that's utter and complete nonsense. A new "surface" would be just a dusting of dirt, then inches, then feet, and NOT STRAIGHT AND FLAT, why would it EVER be straight and flat? YOU ARE NOT THINKING. This is all impossible stuff you are pretending is real when it cannot possibly be real. We hardly ever see anything straight and flat in the surface of the earth, it's all lumpy and mixed and hilly and not one sediment and I don't know how you are convincing yourself of this stuff but obviously you really just don't want to know that it really is impossible cuz golly that might show that what I'm saying is true, you absolutely cannot get the geological column out of the time periods scenarios.
They weren’t rock when they were surfaces, or recently buried - that process took millions of years.
"Millions of years" hides every unpleasant reality doesn't it? There is no such thing as a "surface" that is going to become straight and flat like those in the geological column by the means you are describing. And I don't see why you can't see it, so I just keep saying you aren't thinking, that's the only explanation. You are trying to get straight flat slabs of mostly homogeneous sediments out of a mixed mess of dirt.
This is part of what you will need to process, in order to understand what the geological column represents - it’s a way of describing and classifying processes which are slow, gradual and take an enormous amount of time.
And are simply impossible. Your enormous amount of time isn't going to turn a lumpy mess of dirt into straight flat mostly homogeneous sedimentary rocks that extend for thousands of square miles. And this is what YOU need to process but won't. Haven't you ever really LOOKED AT the layers close up in, say, perhaps pictures of the Grand Canyon? Many of them have KNIFE-EDGE straight contacts with the DIFFERENT kinds of rock above and below. No no no no no, your scenario is impossible.
The geological column is not a stack of rocks which appeared fully formed out of the sky. It’s a description of the sequence in which the surface layers in a particular area accreted on top of each other, got buried over millions of years, and then got lithified through pressure and heat, over further millions of years.
Unbelievable. I guess anything is possible in Evo Fantasyland.
Rocks don’t bury the geological column - new surfaces do, which become rocks millions of years later.
There is no such tghing as a "surface" in loose dirt of the sort that ends up a knife-edge straight contact line with another kind of sediment. They call it "science" so that's why you believe it? No need to actually think it through if you already know it's "science" I guess.

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