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Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system, but also incorporated fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and eugenics into its creed. ...

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And as noted previously (Message 4072) Fascism is

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Fascism (/fz’m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] ...

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Still Dictatorial. Except that largely they aren't. Even Bernie is not a socialist (according to actual definitions) -- he is a social democrat, a balanced system of government that employs socialist programs, capitalist markets and democratic governments. Of the people by the people for the people. Think FDR, the most popular president elected 4 times. And curiously I don't know any of today's democrats that are communist sympathizers. I do know some Social Democrats, but no actual socialists. Conservatives often label people with those terms to scare people away from Democrats, not because they are valid. That's because conservatives these days don't have any programs to benefit working people, it's all about making rich people richer. Thus they have to use fear instead of attractive programs.Notice that police, fire prevention, armed services, public works, etc are ALL socialist programs. That makes me really scared of socialist programs. We also see universal healthcare WORKS in other developed advance countries. Socialism Democracy is more popular now than in the 70's and 80's because the blinders are off and the boogie man has no clothes ... conservative have overplayed their hand. No, it sounds a lot more like ICE attacking immigrants, horrific detention policies, midnight raids and similar programs.This includes separating children from their parents, putting them in cages, making them sleep on cold concrete floors, providing little sanitation and health facilities. Letting some die. Treating little children no better than hardened criminals in solitary confinement.Tell me again what is worse -- that or telling people that the climate change is real (because it is) and it will likely be severe enough to cause the extinction of the human race unless we work together for a better world.Tell the people in Australia.Not surprisingly I'll take the side of those vile wicked (sarcasm Sheldon) climate change activists that want a better world for all.Enjoy

Fascism suits today's Left very nicely. In today's world it isn't on the right, it's on the left. Most of that describes today's Left, even the Dem party, quite well. Disdain for liberal democracy yes indeed, oh definitely yes indeed, "the parliamentary system" too, yes. The House Democrats have been making a complete mockery of American institutions including the Constitution, utterly destroyed the concept of impeachment, conducted a sham investigation for three years and then another to try to drum up something to impeach Trump for. It's all political, power is the motive, not truth, not anything fundamentally American. It's so transparent it's hard to see how you all fell for it.You've also got antisemitism on your side, in the Muslim members of the House nobody will condemn. But also the rampant attacks on Jews going on in New York nobody will touch either because they are done by militant blacks. Oh dear we can't punish blacks, oh dear no, cuz Political Correctness tells us that can't be true. So it's denied.Since the fascist Left IS Communist at its root I guess "fervent anti-communism" isn't relevant, but eugenics was the reason for Planned Parenthood so even if that is denied these days it belongs at the door of the Left.Fascism is a form of totalitarianism, tyranny, denial of civil rights to opponents etc. That is today's Left.Wake up RAZD. Your definitional approach to this is self-deception.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Most of that describes today's Left, even the Dem party, quite well

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It describes today’s Right much better. But that’s your usual m.o.

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Disdain for liberal democracy yes indeed, oh definitely yes indeed....

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Funny how Marc’s attempts to show that ended up with him revealing his own contempt for liberal democracy. And then we have the gerrymandering, voter suppression attempts and electoral fraud from the Republicans.

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... ,the parliamentary system" too, yes. The House Democrats have been making a complete mockery of American institutions including the Constitution, utterly destroyed the concept of impeachment, conducted a sham investigation for three years and then another to try to drum up something to impeach Trump for.

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And that pack of lies demonstrates plenty of contempt for Parliamentary democracy. Thanks for providing the proof.

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ou've also got antisemitism on your side, in the Muslim members of the House nobody will condemn. But also the rampant attacks on Jews going on in New York nobody will touch either because they are done by militant blacks. Oh dear we can't punish blacks, oh dear no, cuz Political Correctness tells us that can't be true. So it's denied.

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There’s plenty of anti-semitism on the Right including the Charlottesville marchers. And I don’t see much opposition to punishing the murderers in the recent cases.

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Since the fascist Left IS Communist at its root I guess "fervent anti-communism" isn't relevant, but eugenics was the reason for Planned Parenthood so even if that is denied these days it belongs at the door of the Left.

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Eugenics was generally accepted by both sides back then. But now scientific racism is more from the Right. The Bell Curve being a prominent example. And the claim about Planned Parenthood is a vile smear, but then that is your standard m.o. too.And of course the Left isn’t communist. Even the more left wing voices in the Democratic Party aren’t communists.

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Fascism is a form of totalitarianism, tyranny, denial of civil rights to opponents etc. That is today's Left.

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Of course it fits the Right better even at that level, but you leave out things like the Nationalism - which is very prominent among Trump supporters.Face it Faith. You’re the Fascist.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

Marc and I don't agree on everything and I don't even know what you are referring to.I was answering the accusation that eugenics was right wing. No it fuelded Planned Parenthood and that is left wing.There is nothing fascistic or totalitarian about nationalism, it's the natural attitude of human beings.I very clearly specified how today's fascism is leftist. It's leftist.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Here is a link to the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on the links between nationalism and fascism. You're arguing against the Encycolpaedia Britannica. Good luck with that.fascism - Extreme nationalism | Britannica(Also worth noting the following excerpt from the site):

I'm trying to use the term the way Reagan used it. I could not care less what the formal definitions of past forms of fascism are. Liberal Fascism is what we have today. It's a totalitarianism, its motivation is power, it could not care less about humanistic forms of government, all it wants is power. Its content is Marxist/Communism. Political Correctness is its diaboligical invention for the purpose of controlling people and shutting up opposition. They could not care less about the racism or the feminism or the homophobia or the xenophobia content of PC, the whole point is just a means of controlling people.The House Democrats are acting like fascists. At least one conservative talk show host calls Pelosi a fascist. They have reinvented impeachment to suit themselves, denying the Constitutional directives for it. They don't like Trump and although he has done nothing whqatever to deserve impeachment they are going to make sure he gets impeached anyway. It is fundamentally lawlessness, making up laws as they go for the purpose of doing away with their opposition. It's not nationalistic, it's globalistic and seeks domination of all nations from that standpoint. \Now if you don't want to call these things fascism, that's really irrelevant because it's the content that matters. So call it totalitarianism then. It's Machiavelllian, it's power politics, it's anti-American, it's about government imposing its will on the people, the opposite of representing the will of the people. It opposes the freedoms granted by the American Constitution and by the laws of European countries too. It's tyranny. These things are what I'm calling Liberal Fascism. I think the name contains enough of the essential elements to be worth keeping.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Marc and I don't agree on everything and I don't even know what you are referring to.

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So? What makes you think you have better evidence than he did?

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I was answering the accusation that eugenics was right wing. No it fuelded Planned Parenthood and that is left wing.

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No you weren’t - you were talking about scientific racism which these days is a predominantly right-wing view - and your lies about Planned Parenthood’s past don’t change that.

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There is nothing fascistic or totalitarian about nationalism, it's the natural attitude of human beings.

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Nationalism is a feature of fascism. (And nations aren’t natural to human beings, so nationalism can’t be either)

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I very clearly specified how today's fascism is leftist. It's leftist

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You try to pretend that fascism is on the left as part of your usual inversion of reality.

Exactly; you are adopting Reagan's 1984 tactic of NewSpeak.We all understand that is what you are doing.

And here we have the looney-bin right spewing hateful falsehoods.Whackadoodle gibberish pretending to be rational arguments.You've lost a little bit more of your already tenuous attachment to reality.You're a hater Faith, admit it, you're not happy without your hates.Enjoy

The real one or the fake conspiracy theory one? Is it time to attack another pizza place?Don't forget to include Bengazi now, we wouldn't want you to forget what a real witch hunt looked like -- one that came up empty handed ...... while Trump is still having more convictions and indictments ... some waiting for the end of his presidency ...Enjoy

Actually all people had to do was look at the flags people were carrying at the rallies.But it's curious that the conservatives felt such a need to encourage hate that they tried to turn liberal into a derogatory term.It is actually no more hateful that conservative.But that is the party of hate for you.Enjoy

This one made me giggle.

The top response for me to this search was the Slate article What conservatives are saying about the killing of Soleimani. from three days ago.I entered "Pompeo Iran" into YouTube and got a raft of responses from many different sources, including Fox. Same for "Graham Iran" and "Trump Iran".I went to Fox News and entered "Pompeo Iran". Nothing. Then just "Iran". Nothing. Then "Pelosi". Nothing. Then "Trump." Nothing. Their search feature doesn't seem to be working today.Breitbart has a lot to say.--Percy

It could go both ways, but it doesn't. What investigations against Democrats are you talking about? I will condemn anyone spreading conspiracy theories. What conspiracy theories are the Democrats spreading? One is predominantly fact-based, the other is predominantly factionalism-based.Do you want to go one-for-one again on your claims? First you offer an example of a conspiracy theory pushed by liberals, then I'll offer a conservative one. First you offer a reality-free WP or NYT opinion piece, then I'll offer a conservative one. First you offer an example of liberals calling an investigation a hoax, then I'll offer an example of conservatives calling one a hoax. We'll see who runs out first.--Percy

Yes, Red Queen, we understand. Words mean precisely what you say they mean.I offer you a similar challenge to the one I offered Mark. You name an authoritarian liberal action, then I'll name a conservative one. We'll see who runs out first. Timeframe should be limited to the period since Trump's inauguration.--Percy