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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: LOTS of evidence... Faith's definition of evidence:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Conservatives often label today's Democrats as socialists, liberals, communist sympathizers, largely because that's what they are. Those are derogatory terms, ... Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
marc9000 writes: I'm for fiscal sanity, free trade, a strong defense, a foreign policy that opposes the world's bad players like Russia, and I think character counts. A lot. I oppose Trump because he has abandoned these core conservative values. The problem is, those aren't core conservative values. Yes they are. The reason you think they're not is because, like most Republicans, you're abandoned conservatism and become a Trumpist.
Your echo chamber columnist was incorrect, most actual Republicans would not have used those honeyed, vague, largely meaningless terms to describe conservativism. As you've shown, they are adaptable to just about any political view. Here's how an actual Republican would have described conservatism; The promotion of individual freedom, the importance of personal responsibility, the reduction of the powers of the federal government, and a maintenance of traditional, Judeo Christian morals. You've misread the columnist. He wasn't listing all core conservative principles. He was listing those Trump has abandoned, with the Republican party following right along. He's certainly abandoned free trade (tariffs), abandoned fiscal responsibility (huge deficit increases), failed to oppose the world's bad players (Putin, Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping), and abandoned integrity and character (himself). And the Republicans seem fine with this. Most incredibly on that last one, white evangelical churches seem fine with this.
Between Reagan and Trump, 5 career politicians have sought the presidency, Bush 41, Bob Dole, Bush 43, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. All of their beliefs, fading further and further from actual conservatism from 41 to Romney, has made the Trump jolt back to actual conservatism so confusing for you. Trump is not a conservative. He says whatever is expedient at the time.
Here's a look at some actual conservatism from a little over 100 years ago;
quote: Except for the part about requiring the English language, I think most people would agree, both liberals and conservatives.
This goes along very well with Trump's words and actions of today. Roosevelt was speaking of immigrants who become citizens. Trump is speaking, usually in denigrating fashion, about illegal and non-citizen immigrants.
Another thing that has you confused is how Republicans have had to adapt to largely different circumstances in the past 50 or 60 years,... A mere three years ago Republicans did stand for free trade, fiscal sanity, standing up to the world's bad players, and character.
There were no Democrats anywhere near a position of power that would succeed in getting frivolous articles of impeachment through the House,... You need a better approach than just ignoring the testimony of all the Trump administration witnesses who testified before the House Intelligence Committee.
...then cry because the same president that they're trying so hard to destroy doesn't seek their advice, and risk their leaking of classified information, before he takes proper action in response to an attack on our foreign embassy. When it comes to disclosures of classified information, that would be Trump, wouldn't it? Would you like to play the game again? You provide an example of a congressman disclosing classified information, then I provide one of Trump. We'll see who runs out first. You're following Trump's example to a T. Whatever your side's done wrong, accuse the other side of doing it.
Lindsey Graham has always gone where the political winds blow him. That's pretty much what I said. He lies or tells the truth according to what's expedient. He's unprincipled.
He'd probably say that he listens to his constituents, and tries to adapt to their wishes as best he can. Yes, that would be expedient.
Plenty of politicians on both sides do that. I'm not really interested in a discussion on how right or how wrong that is. Yes, I know, I've said that myself.
But the question remains: If the Republican party no longer stands for core conservative principles, then what does it stand for? Hopefully your question is answered - you're welcome. If not, I'll answer any reasonable questions. I think your answer requires revisions. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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marc9000 writes: That was a response to someone who is obsessed with opinionated conservative commentators, who often report news events that the mainstream news media omits. Why is it conservative op-ed commentators who are reporting these supposed news events and not the conservative news media itself? Maybe because they're events that never actually happened or interpretations that ignore facts? --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
marc9000 writes: Germany was Fascist.
Germany was a dictatorship. Nazism. Italy was Fascist. During WWII both Italy and Germany were fascist. From Nazism - Wikipedia:
quote: Conservatives often label today's Democrats as socialists, liberals, communist sympathizers, largely because that's what they are. Those are derogatory terms, and through the 70's and 80's Democrats had no derogatory terms with which to put down conservatives, the term "conservative" isn't, and never has been, a derogatory term. They searched and searched, and finally, taking advantage of the terms "right wing", and "leftist", which were used very differently in 1940's Europe, they found the term "fascist", and adopted that term for conservatives, as if it's the opposite of communism, which it isn't. You have a vivid imagination. Faith keeps calling liberals fascist, hence the attempts to help her understand that fascism is conservatism's relative, not liberalism's. Fascism is antithetical to liberalism. No one here is calling US conservatism fascist, but Trump does have a very strong authoritarian streak. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Oh right, poor search skills. I put in "conservative" and get "Democrat." Wow what lousy search skills I have. That sounds very strange. When I enter "conservative" in to Google or Bing every returned search item is related to conservatives or conservatism. Most search engines customize search results according to the person's interests, but it's hard to see how that could cause "conservative" to return results about Democrats. I'd like to investigate your problem. Could you provide the first five or ten search results you're getting? Please also tell me which search engine you're using.
"rightists viciously harassing people?" What are you talking about? If it's true it's great propaganda for the left though, suits them quite well. Probably fake rightists too. Overuse of pronouns can get confusing (underuse can sound repetitive and is more typing but is a lot less confusing). The "they" in PaulK's sentence refers to social media. He's referring to the problems experienced by social media providers in dealing with right-wing provocateurs, for example Alex Jones and other white supremacists.
Reviving coal and car manufacturing is part of rebuilding the economy after the environmentalist left has sent jobs to other countries and begun the process of turning America into a third world swamp. We need both but at the moment we've needed a reprieve from the leftist assault on the economy. You're making up an economic problem that doesn't exist. There is no "leftist assault on the economy." After the 2008 recession the Obama years were ones of continuous growth. The Trump administration has provided enormous economic incentives in the form of regulatory gifts and tax giveaways, but this hasn't resulted in greater growth than under Obama.
Sure, define PC as just "politeness" instead of totalitarian mind control and you've got your Marxist foot in the door. Yeah, sure. And extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. That's why everyone would believe Trump if he declared he was really just defending liberty when he declared himself dictator. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm simply trying to define the way Liberal Fascism is seen by us conservatives. Yes the words are being used for that purpose, and to distinguish it from the fascism others would prefer to impose on it, which of course is just a way to eliminate the whole concept. So I'm trying to define it as we understand it. I don't expect liberals to get it, because they spend all their time disqualifying anything the right has to say about anything, but the definition could help if any were willing to pay attention. Just a bit of attention.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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You want me to quote all the Dem candidates pushing anticapitalist economic principles, pushing all the PC talking points that keep each other and the rest of us intimidated into silence for fear of offending the powers that be.
Matt 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Jesus was anti-capitalist.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unbelievers should not give opinions about the Bible. No, Jesus was not anticapitalist. He told ONE man who needed to hear it because of his idolatrous attachment to his wealth, to sell it all and come follow Him. The man was proud of his obedience to the Law so Jesus showed him the one area in which he lacked the perfection he seemed to be claiming he had. He does NOT tell us all to live that way. We don't all have that particular sin/idolatry to deal with.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh and let me also point out that the Dem candidates are not proposing to give up their own wealth, they are promising to steal it from others who for the most part earned it rightfully. That is even farther from anything Jesus taught. Jesus taught individuals how to deal with their own sins, He did not offer a government program.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Unbelievers should not give opinions about the Bible.
so you're going to shut up about evolution, geology, modern science then?It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wow, are you actually admitting all that is really religion?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Wow, are you actually admitting all that is really religion?
nope.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Yes, we’re getting the message. It’s all a lie to divert attention from your own fascist tendencies,
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What you say about me is true of the Left of course, that's always the case. Conservatism is fundamentally for American freedoms, the Left is for forcing things on the people, stealing their money, making them use only the words they deem proper, and so on.
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