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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Faith writes:
You ARE the one who is constantly making up your own definitions, so by your own claim I guess that that means you ARE a fascist, you ARE a Marxist and you ARE totalitarian. Defining things to serve your own partisan purposes IS fascism, IS Marxism, IS totalitarianism. True, until she completely redefines the world yet again ... and again ... and again.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Weird the quote from Reagan since of course the whole thing about Russian collusion was a bizarre hoax. Why do you still persist in repeating such pure crap liies? Volume One of the Mueller Report details a great many instances of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. At least 108 pages detailing that collusion (pp 66 - 174). All this time and you still have not read the report. Read the damned report! And stop your damned lying!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
It's the agenda, Pence wants to make America a theocracy, Trump just wants to line his pockets. I'm not certain that Pence wants to create an American theocracy, but I'm sure that he is sympathetic to that agenda and so would not impede such an effort. One thing that is certain about Trump is that he has no ideology and that he will go along with anything so long as he thinks it will benefit him personally (or financially or politically ... keeping in mind that political benefits must also result in personal or financial benefits or else they don't count). That makes Trump pretty much the ultimate useful idiot -- an espionage term for an individual you can get to do your bidding without his realizing the treason that he is committing. Not only has Trump been doing everything that Putin (AKA "Trump's dear Puti-poo") would want him to do, but everybody in the Trump Administration with a personal or ideological agenda of their own (eg, Stephen Miller's white supremacism, evangelists' dominionism) is able to use Trump for their own purposes -- "Blow in my ear and I'll follow you anywhere." (Stock Laugh-In line, but given new life in real life here) While I have no doubt that Pence has been the ear-blower for advancing theocracy, I cannot say for sure that he isn't himself the intermediary of the ear-blowing of others.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Trump is evil and stupid and incompetent. Pence is evil and smart and competent (at least compared to Trump). Who would be more effective excercising evil? Most certainly, Pence is by no means as much of a "fucking mooron" as Trump is (as per Rex Tillerson's extremely accurate initial assessment of Trump). During the 2016 campaign, a comparison I heard of the damage that Trump and Cruz would do was that most of the damage done by Trump would be accidental as he would blunder about like a bull in a china shop. Rather, Cruz would know exactly where to plant the explosive charges to bring everything crashing down. One aspect of our concern is whether Pence has the evil intentions of creating a theocracy. Another aspect is how susceptible he is to the manipulation of evil dominionists. Another aspect is how his natural inclinations towards dominion theology might cause him to stumble towards destroying the Constitution. Another aspect is how his beliefs in the End Times might lead to the self-fulfilled prophecy of our self-annihilation. Another aspect is how his divorce from reality ends up killing us all by other means. But one thing that we will not have to worry about Pence is him pulling extremely shtupid shite like Trump does all the time. Sea Story:On my first drill at the Regional Readiness Command after the 2000 election, our boot RPC (Religious Programs Chief Petty Officer -- RPs not only support Navy chaplains, but also serve as their body guards in combat zones) approached me excited that a "true believer" (AKA "Dubya") was finally in the White House. I made a comment about having someone who believes in the End Times being in control of the US nuclear arsenal. That RPC suddenly became very quiet and pensive. Edited by dwise1, : replacing pronouns in "But one thing ... " to reduce ambiguity
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Wow! The cluelessness is very strong in this one!
We can safely disregard your redefining the world yet again as meaningless blather (America loving and Constitution loving conservative patriots are not "on the Left", but rather they see the very clear and present danger that Trump presents to America -- Senior Chief Nance was a life-long conservative, nearly every male Nance has served in the US military since the Civil War and his niece now serves in the US Navy and has seen combat, SCPO Nance likewise wears the Navy Combat Action Ribbon and has been in combat against Iranian forces, all of which you falsely label as "leftist"). Do please remind us of where and when you had served, when and how many times you have sworn a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Also remind us of where and how you had received any kind of leadership training. IOW, how could anybody even begin to assume that you have any clue whatsoever about the nonsense that you keep blathering? Cadet Bonespurs is all about himself and only about himself. He doesn't care about America's interests, unless he can manipulate that to his own benefit. Everybody who knew anything at all about Trump has always known that. Why do you think that Trump did so poorly in New York? Because everybody there already knew what a crook he is! As soon as he was elected, he went about bragging that he would be the first president to profit from the office -- HINT: The US Constitution's domestic emoluments clause restricts the President's income to what the Constitution specifies and prohibits him from receiving any other income from the government, yet he receives government money (in direct violation of the Constitution's domestic emoluments clause) every single time he goes golfing at one of his own golf resorts. Furthermore, he arbitrarily chose Doral as the site of the next G-7 summit, perhaps the most naked act of corruption possible. And as for American interests being "behind every decision he makes". Trump has lots of financial interests in Russia. Even though he lied to the contrary, he was still pursuing his Moscow Trump Tower project during the 2016 campaign. The truth of that didn't come out until later, but in the meantime Trump was violating regulations and lying outright to his followers, all with the direct knowledge of Putin, so during all that time Trump was compromised -- while you may suffer from a severe lack of military counter-intelligence training, compromise is a very valuable tool for the KGB (while the acronym may have changed, the apparatus is still in place and operating fully -- Putin, Trump's favorite boy-friend, is a veteran KGB agent so he would know better than anybody else the value of compromise (kompromat, )). Oh, we understand Trump far too well. The problem is that we are saddled with 18th Century measures to deal with a 21st Century problem. For one thing, the Founders did not envision that the Senate would have also been corrupted. Food for thought. Trump doesn't give a fuck about you. Especially if you have any pre-existing medical conditions, such as the ones that you keep complaining to us about. Post-Post-Script:My family had traditionally been Republican, but then I came of voting age under Nixon, so I naturally registered Democrat. Between one or two decades ago, my elder sister's husband, a life-long Republican and still so against his own interests (they're also fundies), suddenly one night stated, "You know, now that I'm retired, I'm starting to realize that the Republicans are not my friends." And yet, years later, he expressed open surprise that I had voted for Obama -- for that matter, I will forever be proud that my military retirement document was signed by Obama and not by some anti-American fucking Republican.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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There are many more military people who support what Trump did than oppose him. Highly doubtful, especially among the leadership who realize all too well how much Trump has screwed the pooch on this one, possibly only surpassed by his betrayal of our Kurdish allies in Syria. We also know that Trump's approval by the military is dropping in large part because of his misuse of the military and his crass disrespect for the military, veterans, and Gold Star families. For example, the 17 Dec 2019 issue of Military Times reports on polls in Half of active-duty service members are unhappy with Trump, new Military Times poll shows. Trump's low marks are a continuation of his steady decline since 2016. BTW, what's your source? I assume your standard source: the liies from right-wing media. Here are some of the figures from the article's charts:
HOW FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE IS YOUR VIEW OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP?
24.3% Very Favorable 17.3% Favorable 45.1% Very Unfavorable 4.8% Unfavorable 8.5% Neutral Demographic Breakdown of Which Groups View Trump Favorably
46% of White Non-Hispanic 43% of Enlisted 43% of Male 33% of Officers 29% of Non-White 28% of Female Since you will not read that article (for fear of learning something), here are some excerpts:
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Ah say "So, it's looking that Pence would be a better President". Depends on what you mean by "better". Pence would most certainly be far more competent (or at least closer to adequate) than Trump as a public official and even just as a human (though only because we're comparing him to Trump. So in the sense that Pence would be far less likely to blunder us into a massive war out of sheer shtupidity, ignrance, greed, and mental illness, then, yes, Pence would be a better President than Trump. But at the same time, if Pence has intentions to do evil, then his greater competence would enable him to do much more damage than Trump, whose administration has been called "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" for good reasons. It was like the comparison made in the 2016 GOP Primaries between Trump who, like a bull in a china shop, would destroy government and the Constitution out of sheer shtupid blundering (as we have witnessed over the past three years), whereas Cruz would know exactly where to plant the charges to demolish the whole thing. Since most of the harm that Trump has done has been at the behest of those close to him, employing him as a "useful ID10T", Pence has no doubt planted some of those evil seeds in Trump's ear. But which ones? I find it hard to tell, though it's clear that it has happened. So then a President Pence would be far worse than Trump, because he wouldn't have to count on a "f**king morron" to do his evil deeds and foul it all up, but rather he could do those deeds himself and ensure that they get done.
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