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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Starting a major war worked well for Lyndon Johnson. And Schrubbia (we're still there), but not so much for elder bush. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Today I kept remembering an SNL skit based on the "carolers at the door" scene in "Love Actually", only it's Hillary pleading via placards to an elector that she vote literally for anyone else: like John Casich, Tom Hanks, Zendaya, The Rock, a rock.
The punchline starting at 2:35 is: "If Donald Trump becomes President, he will kill us all." And here we are now.
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Well, Trump did run on a campaign to stop the endless wars in the Middle East. I guess if Iraq votes to force US troops to leave their country, that would be one more step in fullfilling one campaign promise.
For this generation of far-right nationalists, religion is not a question of ethical conduct; it is purely about identity and peoplehood. -- Jan-Werner Mller
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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He also said 6 or 7 times that Obama would invade Iran to get re-elected.
So he has another chance to outdo Obama ... Enjoy?by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Why did Trump order the assassination of Soleimani now? Just watch today's Sunday political programs (Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc.) and the answer is obvious. Instead of talking about impeachment they're talking about Iran. Trump did what he always does when his misdeeds draw too much attention: he causes a distraction to benefit himself and hang the consequences that the country and world must suffer.
The US and the world are not a safer place after Soleimani's assassination. Americans are being warned to leave Iraq and the surrounding region. More troops are being sent to the Middle East. Homeland Security has been placed on higher alert. Our cyber targets are being warned to expect increased attacks. Security is being stepped up at our embassies around the world, as well as for our senior military officials. Our navy is stepping up its alertness in the Persian Gulf. Great Britain has just dispatched two destroyers to the region to protect British shipping. Soleimani was responsible for many deaths, including Americans. He required our careful and continuous attention. But Trump's assassination of Soleimani will cause a greater number of American deaths and place an increased number of American lives at risk. --Percy
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
This is what triggered me to start the "Pence would be a worse President than Trump???" topic (which I haven't yet looked at today).
Pence may be a theocrat, but would he trigger such a stupid action? I doubt it, but I may be wrong. This may be better discussed at the above linked. Moose
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
An indication that Homeland Security is ramping up their security apparatus was revealed yesterday as scores of Iranian-American citizens returning from trips to Canada for additional scrutiny about their political views and allegiances. Some were denied entry.
Source: U.S. Stops Dozens of Iranian-Americans Returning From Canada - The New York Times --Percy Edited by Percy, : Improve wording.
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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This is a very, very short article, merely a note really, but the Iraqi Parliament has voted to expel American troops from Iraq: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...1b-43bec3ff9860_story.html. This doesn't take effect immediately. Under Iraqi law it begins the process of implementation .
Iraq would apparently rather face the simultaneous threats of Iran and a potential resurgence of Isis than the presence of an unpredictable and impulsive US military. One possibility is that Iraq might become an Iranian proxy state. As they are lied to by the bellicose Trump administration the American people should look at a map. Iran is huge. It has enormous resources. This is why they are able to so easily project their power at various pressure points around the Middle East. It will worsen now as Iran's resolve against the US strengthens. Where a few days ago there was a politically divided and factionalized Iran, the US now faces a politically united Iran with a clear and common enemy, and with the possibility that it may unite with Iraq. Both are predominantly Shiite. According to List of countries by Fragile States Index - Wikipedia, Iraq is the 11th most unstable country in the world. The US has caused a great deal of harm to Iraq in our 16 years there. Iraq and the entire region were arguably better off under Saddam Hussein. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Correct where I mistakenly referred to Iraq when I meant Iran, and vice versa.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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Iraq and the entire region were arguably better off under Saddam Hussein. Of forum historic interest? - Almost 13 years ago (24-Feb-2007) I created the topic "Iraq needed Saddam?" Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Forgot to put Percy quote in.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle |
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Percy Member Posts: 22394 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
On Monday Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) introduced a resolution to dismiss the articles of impeachment (Hawley rallies GOP colleagues to move to dismiss articles of impeachment | Fox News). Here are a few of his words on Hannity's Fox program (there are many more in the article).
quote: I looked up this claim that the Senate rules presume a "prompt delivery of the articles of impeachment to the Senate following their adoption by the House." It's not true. The Senate rules are at RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS. Here's the first article:
quote: This article speaks of managers appointed by the House carrying the articles of impeachment to the Senate so that they may be presented. If Hawley's resolution passes it will violate Senate rules. They need to first amend the Senate rules for impeachment trials so the first article reads like this:
quote: The second article is problematic for Mitch McConnell's expressed desire to either dismiss the articles or run a trial with no witnesses or documents, i.e., no evidence, because this article requires the House managers to be introduced, after which they will present the articles. This isn't possible until House managers have been appointed, which I presume Pelosi will not do until such time is she is satisfied the Senate will carry out a trial that history will judge as legitimate and genuine.
quote: I think the third article is the one Hawley must be thinking of, and he has interpreted it incorrectly. It refers to the Senate considering the articles promptly, not to the House delivering them promptly:
quote: I think Hawley and the rest of the Senate should accept the rules for what they say, not for what he wishes they said. If they would like to amend the rules that is within their prerogative, but if it results in a sham trial then history is unlikely to judge them kindly. --Percy
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I would have thought it better to let them run rough shod over this, and have what will be seen more clearly as a sham.
Trump won't be found to be in breach of his duties by the GOP in any event - better to have clear evidence of childish and un-dignified collusion by the GOP, for the Democrats to deal with in a grown up and dignified manner, thereby hopefully attracting the small group of uncomfortable Republican voters in the coming election. I think the best hope is that the GOP becomes so brazen and over-confident, that some conservatives think "whoah, hold on a minute."Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Asyou all know I am not a Christian, I am not a believer, so some may find it kind of rich that I am quoting a preacher. Reverend Barber speaks with a moral voice and manifests what my understanding is that Christians say they stand for.
quote: Evangelicals using religion for political gain is nothing new. It is a US tradition | Reverend William Barber | The GuardianFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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I never liked Christian nationalism, but if I honestly examine my own values and what I think being a Christian means, I begin to realize that Jesus never cared much for prosperity. He seemed to care more for helping the least of these (people throughout the world) and it seems as if this whole farce with the Evangelicals and Trump has a lot more to do with pushing material prosperity rather than honor and justice (and charity).
I can see why ringo challenges my conscience so often. Perhaps I would be better off being honest and realizing that I embraced Christianity due to the benefits it could have offered me rather than the responsibility I would be charged to provide for others. All I know is that I am at odds with most of my "Christian" friends and associates. I agree with this article that you posted, and it is a timely and ongoing issue.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I think the best hope is that the GOP becomes so brazen and over-confident, that some conservatives think "whoah, hold on a minute." All I can think of is that quote:Proverbs 16:18. quote: Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle
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