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Message 3735 of 4573 (869921)
01-08-2020 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3732 by vimesey
01-08-2020 11:11 AM


Re: The Impeachment Rules of the Senate
I think the best hope is that the GOP becomes so brazen and over-confident, that some conservatives think "whoah, hold on a minute."
All I can think of is that quote:
Proverbs 16:18.
quote:
This expression comes from The Book of Proverbs in the Bible. ... The original quote from the King James Bible is Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Some theologians interpret this to mean that a proud person will be condemned to hell.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
"You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle

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Message 3744 of 4573 (870446)
01-20-2020 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Percy
01-05-2017 8:31 AM


A Useful Link Concerning The Impeachment Trial
Trump Impeachment Inquiry: A Guide To Key People, Facts And Documents
This is a very useful link--at least for me. I am able to see the facts broken down, the people involved described as to their role in it all--and a better understanding of the whole upcoming legal process.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
"You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle

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Message 3750 of 4573 (871375)
02-01-2020 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3748 by JonF
02-01-2020 8:16 AM


Re: Better start praying
Personally I think that virus is no real threat unless it mutates. China has shown its strength at getting things done when it counts, and their rapid response is a testimony of their power. The US is so fragmented and divided by contrast. We the 1% in order to form a more perfect union.....yada yada yada. The Democrats hold out hope for consensus and liberty for all, but right now money calls the shots. that will be the next great bubble to collapse, I fear, and we will all be talking about a new problem...if we still have the time and leisure to be on the internet.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.lvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott

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Message 3828 of 4573 (875320)
04-22-2020 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3827 by Stile
04-22-2020 9:16 AM


Re: The Schizophrenic Trump
Stile writes:
It must be a combination of both - because there is no answer to this where "everyone lives" and "everyone is safe" - there is simply no country, anywhere, that is in a position to do this.
I agree. It will have to be a combination of both.
Not all countries have Trump as a leader.
So why are they all planning the same (basic) thing?
Because they have to.
Indeed. If we cause a Great Depression with 30+% unemployment, our financial system will likely be the next great bubble to implode. One cannot simply create two trillion dollars out of thin air and then follow it up with another 400 billion stimulus relief package. The conspiracy theorist in me suggests that some leaders know darn well what is going to happen. The real question is if we are obligated to save the global economy at the possible cost of a few lost lives. Where is the cutoff point?
Edited by Phat, : added comment

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 3830 of 4573 (875325)
04-22-2020 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3829 by AZPaul3
04-22-2020 7:26 PM


Re: The Schizophrenic Trump

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Message 3831 of 4573 (875326)
04-22-2020 7:34 PM
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04-22-2020 7:26 PM


Re: The Schizophrenic Trump
Are you saying then that if even one life were saved it would be worth trashing the entire global economy?

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 3833 of 4573 (875328)
04-22-2020 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 3832 by AZPaul3
04-22-2020 8:18 PM


Re: The Schizophrenic Trump
if it meant that my sacriifice would save the global economy then yes.
I wouldnt just do it to save the whales tho

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 3850 of 4573 (875409)
04-25-2020 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3846 by NosyNed
04-24-2020 3:32 PM


Re: Beyond belief
NN writes:
You know when I saw the news clip of Trump talking about sunlight and disinfectant my reaction was "This must be a fake video. Even he could NOT be saying that!!!!"
I felt the same way. My conclusion was that Trump is acting and talking stupid on purpose to placate his base and mock the educated elitists who urge us to fully trust science and reason in order to save our planet. This may blow your mind, but there was an evangelical "prophet" who was on record predicting Trump's victory a few years before it happened and he also predicted that Trump would fully become an evangelical himself during his (predicted) 2nd term. I know it all sounds contrived, but I see the evidence that this guy did predict Trump's victory (documented) a couple of years before he even announces he was running for president.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 3853 of 4573 (875419)
04-25-2020 5:11 PM
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04-25-2020 3:29 PM


Re: Beyond belief
What is going to solve this problem aside from science and reason?
Consensus and cooperation. Humans by nature will never simply do everything science tells them to do because we never listen to someone unless we trust them as a human and not just an expert.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 3864 of 4573 (875496)
04-27-2020 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 3856 by JonF
04-25-2020 7:20 PM


Re: Fading from the stage
Notice that Macron is taking center stage.
quote:
Macron told the meeting: We will continue now to mobilise all G7 and G20 countries so they get behind this initiative. And I hope we will be able to reconcile around this joint initiative both China and the US, because this is about saying the fight against Covid-19 is a common human good and there should be no division in order to win this battle.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Message 3939 of 4573 (876401)
05-18-2020 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 3931 by marc9000
05-17-2020 5:41 PM


Re: Maybe a little planning is called for?
marc9000 writes:
Gonna be a busy week, (I'm an essential worker) but maybe I'll be back in a week or so if there's anything else of substance to respond to here.
Really? I too am an essential worker. But I have a question for you, marc. I see you arguing with Percy and enjoy reading the exchange. As a conservative, what would be your basic definitions for what is a liberal and what is a conservative?

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 3963 of 4573 (876700)
05-26-2020 8:45 AM


RE: marcs link
When marc linked to the Washington Post, I followed the trail and observed this graphic:
So apparently the trend is more towards the independent label and less red or blue. In my mind, independent means several things.
1) Fair and balanced.(or at least claiming to be)
2) Open-minded
3) moderate vs extremist
Comments?

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

  
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Message 4112 of 4573 (878711)
07-03-2020 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4111 by ringo
07-03-2020 10:51 AM


Candace Owens
I suppose you think that everyone will end up in Heaven without giving up a thing. But in regards to the Trump Presidency, what do you think of Candace Owens?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Phat
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Message 4118 of 4573 (878980)
07-08-2020 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 4117 by JonF
07-07-2020 9:09 PM


Re: "Kill! Kill! Kill!" he screams in the Oval Office
These subtitles are spoiler alerts but i see no content. Did Trump censor himself?
And on to jar...
Phat writes:
I suppose you think that everyone will end up in Heaven without giving up a thing.
jar writes:
Nah. Damn few Christians will make it even into the lobby.
As a Christian do you see your chances as any better than if you were a Biblical Christian? Why or why not?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Phat
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Message 4153 of 4573 (879912)
07-25-2020 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 4152 by PaulK
07-25-2020 1:49 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
It doesnt look much better now in Denver.
Denver to create campsites, consider tax hike to help people experiencing homelessness.
The thing is, if the city breaks up these campsites it will just cause more potential shoplifers to move down Colfax nearer to my grocery store. We have a $2,000.00 loss every day now as is. Times are getting tougher and potentially will affect more classes of people.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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