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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Wouldn't it better to use science arguments. It seems to me to be a weenie move to move this out so that you can use lame nonscientific arguments. But it does show you have no actual arguments.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theo writes: But it does show you have no actual arguments. And you have no actual beliefs. I don't defend religious belief with facts or evidence. To me, those are irrelevant arguments. To you, I have empty beliefs. Hence why we never agree.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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And you have no actual beliefs. Again you misrepresent reality. I have lots of beliefs. I have very strong beliefs on moral and ethical behavior. I have very strong beliefs that all people should be treated fairly and without discriminatory prejudice. I have very strong beliefs in justice and right and wrong.What I don't have is a belief in the supernatural. Supernatural includes some sort of god. So how about you stop telling lies about me. I don't defend religious belief with facts or evidence.
You don't defend them with arguments at all. You string words together that look impressive, but if you actually took a moment to be objective and read what you claim are arguments, you would see they are just word salad and empty platitudes. Whenever you say things like "being one with christ" or "the living christ", why don't you take some time and think about what that means. Then try to explain it in a way that someone that has never heard of jesus christ can understand what you mean. If you can not do that, then those words and terms actually mean nothing. You are just repeating bullshit that apologists have been spouting for years.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 595 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
See message 2420.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 595 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Guess that's why you're a bit evasive on this logic/deity topic?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 595 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Anybody who reads the thread can see that that isn't true. You're the one who refuses to answer questions.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 595 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You're not seriously claiming that the idea that two people born in the same location, at the same time, have the same life predicted for them by star charts is a rational idea?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I did see message 2420 and I replied to it. You asserted that the idea of gods is illogical. You didn't mention a single specific logical error in the idea. See message 2420."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
How am I being evasive? Guess that's why you're a bit evasive on this logic/deity topic? You're the one who's being evasive by refusing to answer a simple question: What are the specific logical errors in the idea of gods? Just answer the question."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Go ahead and point out a question that i haven't answered. You're the one who refuses to answer questions."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Anybody who reads the thread can see that I am claiming no such thing. You're not seriously claiming that the idea that two people born in the same location, at the same time, have the same life predicted for them by star charts is a rational idea? Here's the entire post that you're responding to:
quote:I said quite plainly that, "Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality." Are you a troll?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 595 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
quote:I think we've got to the gist of the problem here! Is it that you're claiming the idea of deity (or horoscopes) is "wrong" but somehow not "irrational"? Forgive me for asking this question, but you seem to be unwilling to give a clear answer.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 595 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I give you an answer and you ignore it, pretending that I haven't posted an answer. That's the mark of a troll, I'm afraid.
I'll give you another chance though, a simple yes or no question: Is the concept of a deity a rational thing? You don't even have to explain why you think as you do. (By the way, no fair wiggling out by saying your deity is a girl named Sophie who spins and weaves wool into wonderful tapestries but has no supernatural powers or some other similar dodges.)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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SB writes: Is the concept of a deity a rational thing? The concept of a deity is rational if it can be supported by rational argument. If the concept of a deity is merely a personal belief it becomes irrational. In my view (as an atheist) there are perfectly respectable and rational arguments for deities. But there are far better philosophical arguments for the non-existence of theistic gods and most - if not all - have been disproven by actual evidence or simply disappeared from our cultures. But I'm happy to allow that my personal disbelief in even a deistic, non-interventionary god is at least, in part, non-rational. That kind of god can not be totally disproven.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Yes. Is it that you're claiming the idea of deity (or horoscopes) is "wrong" but somehow not "irrational"? As I have pointed out, "wrong" and "irrational" are not the same thing. All fiction is "wrong" in that it does not correspond with reality - there are no hobbits and there is no S.P.E.C.T.R.E. But it is not necessarily irrational. Rational but not real."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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