Iraq needed Saddam?

Another topic I believe is essential was the one from 2006 on why the Islamic World might be annoyed with us. It is at So let's look at why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?. Our sins will come due and the bill will get paid.

Other Nations have felt the same as you in their past; Egypt and Assyria, Carthage and then Rome, the Ottoman Empire; the Dutch and French and even Great Britain.What does the evidence show Phat?

Learn about Oligarchy.Look at the evidence. What does the evidence show?

Stop and think Phat. Really.Have companies from other nations invested in the US? So if what you claim about Iran and Iraq's resources applies does that mean China should have similar access to US resources?And again, look at history. Was there an Imperial Power that had investments in Idia as an example and felt they had a similar stake in the wealth of India?Also wasn't there an Imperial Power that decided to simply take the resources it needed when the US placed an embargoes on things it needed like scrap iron and oil?What does the evidence show Phat.I understand you don't want to have to study history and reality but guess what? ...Edited by jar, : left applies out

You claimed that the US had some right to the Middle Eastern Oil because we invested in the original oil fields.China has invested throughout our industry, resources and real estate.By your reasoning China should have the same rights to our production and natural resources that you assert we have in the Middle Eastern natural resources.The issue is that the US has built a civilization based on taking resources from everyone else; the Iranians, the Nicaraguans, the Iraqis, the Colombians, the Native Americans, ... the list is near endless.Is there any reason that the rest of the world should continue to let us take their resources?

That depends on just how stupid we continue to be.There is only one reason that Iran does not sell us oil and that is because we decided to place sanctions on Iranian Oil.As long as the US continues to act like the stupid bullies we have been then yes, we will suffer.And going down swinging is just another example of utter stupidity.

Yet the 9-11 folk were from Saudi Arabia and we do NOT sanction Saudi Arabia.One way to stop Iran from being a threat is to make Iran a partner.Do we not destroy our enemies when we make them our friends?'

Yet once again, reality proves you are wrong.Here is a list of predominately Muslim Countries that do not consider us The Great Satan.CountryIndonesia
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Nigeria
Egypt
Turkey
Algeria
Sudan
Morocco
Saudi Arabia
Uzbekistan
Niger
Mali
Malaysia
Senegal
Kazakhstan
Burkina Faso
Tunisia
Guinea
Jordan
Azerbaijan
Chad
Tajikistan
Libya
Sierra Leone
Turkmenistan
Kyrgyzstan
United Arab Emirates
Mauritania
Lebanon
Oman
Kuwait
Albania
Qatar
Bahrain
Djibouti
Western Sahara
Maldives
Brunei
Mayotte

Phat, the bill will get paid.And just how do you imagine we can force anyone else to pay.

You will most likely pay through pain and suffering.Remember Phat, the US is still an oil importer even though we right now export more than we import.

Aw. Poor Baby!BUT... reality intrudes.No one sold you anything you did not buy. You got exactly what you wanted.Reality is not some secret that was hidden away.The question is... did YOU question? Did you learn about the world and history and what the US has done and why there was the Great Anomaly post WWII? Did you question the Apologists, both political and religious and really test what you were "being sold" against the reality of the product?So maybe you fools start a war. Will that help you?What do you know about United Fruit Company?What do you know about the Mexican War?What do you know about how many governments we have overthrown for purely commercial reasons? Can you even list them? I'll even give you the first. Hawaii!Edited by jar, : No reason given.

Once again, you really need to stop posting absolutely false nonsense.Neither ringo or I have said that those in the US who need help should not get help. In fact we have said that we should do far more to protect Americans and that the problem stopping that is the tendency of US Voting Citizens to elect politicians that work to keep those who need help from getting help.But none of this has anything to do with the topic.

If a Starbucks opens in Damascus and is patronized by thousands of Iraqi's daily is it stealing from you?If we buy Iraqi oil instead of paying troops to guard the wells are they stealing from you?Which was most beneficial to the US, Japan as an enemy or Japan as an economic competitor?Which was most beneficial to the US, Germany as an enemy or Germany as an economic competitor?Which was most beneficial to the US, China as an enemy or China as an economic competitor?You can continue the list if you want.Many folk worry about the immigrants at our southern border. But why are they headed this way? What part did we play in creating the conditions that are driving them north? What could we do to ameliorate those conditions?Can you see a pattern developing?

Likely. Good start. What does the evidence show? How are oil prices set?But go further. Look at Iraq. What is Iraq and how did it come into existence? Almost all problems are political and so what political issues are unique to Iraq?What happened to Czechoslovakia? Why did it happen? How is Czechoslovakia similar to Iraq?

Are you sure?Can you even list the Islamic nations that we currently regularly do business with? In Message 73 there is a partial list. Look it over. If Iran and Iraq were actually given a chance to work with the rest of the world what do you think would happen? And Japan did not copy us, even today Japanese culture is far different than ours. Why would we even want any nation to copy us? Except Phat, we don't really sell protection, only the sizzle and not the steak. Ask the Kurds.Trump has repeatedly questioned whether or not the US should provide aid much less protection. And Europe and Asia and the rest of the world have taken notice.But you are still avoiding the issue in this topic.What happened to Czechoslovakia? Why did it happen? How is Czechoslovakia similar to Iraq?What happened to Yugoslavia? Why did it happen? How is Yugoslavia similar to Iraq?