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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm asking you to be specific about what makes the idea of gods illogical. It seems pretty clear that you can't do it. Some things might appear at first glance to be illogical."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Killing people because they live on the land you want to steal certainly is unjust. Genocide means murder, it means UNJUST killing...."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's rich coming from you. How can you say such things? You don't have any fear of lying about God?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
One who rejects all cults equally?
All that you could possibly believe in is an unknown God who is unlike anything described in any human literature and who likely does not prefer or cherish humans over any other universal species. What kind of believer is that? Phat writes:
A big one? And what kind of God?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
And yet you can't give a single example of a logical error. On the other hand, the idea of a deity hasn't even got a veneer of logic."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're being dishonest. You yourself constantly refer to "the Creator of all that is". That is necessarily a big God.
You all want a BIG God, should One exist. When the whole point of the Trinity and that view is to make GOD personal rather than extremely huuuuge, (like "The Force" in Star Wars. ) Phat writes:
And yet your fruit doesn't show any sign of His presence. My POV is that God is knowable and approachable."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I did see message 2420 and I replied to it. You asserted that the idea of gods is illogical. You didn't mention a single specific logical error in the idea. See message 2420."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
How am I being evasive? Guess that's why you're a bit evasive on this logic/deity topic? You're the one who's being evasive by refusing to answer a simple question: What are the specific logical errors in the idea of gods? Just answer the question."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Go ahead and point out a question that i haven't answered. You're the one who refuses to answer questions."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Anybody who reads the thread can see that I am claiming no such thing. You're not seriously claiming that the idea that two people born in the same location, at the same time, have the same life predicted for them by star charts is a rational idea? Here's the entire post that you're responding to:
quote:I said quite plainly that, "Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality." Are you a troll?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Yes. Is it that you're claiming the idea of deity (or horoscopes) is "wrong" but somehow not "irrational"? As I have pointed out, "wrong" and "irrational" are not the same thing. All fiction is "wrong" in that it does not correspond with reality - there are no hobbits and there is no S.P.E.C.T.R.E. But it is not necessarily irrational. Rational but not real."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
You have not given an answer. You've just repeated the same mantra, "It's not logical, it's not logical, it's not logical." I give you an answer and you ignore it, pretending that I haven't posted an answer. I have asked you for specific logical errors. I have given examples - Appeal to Popularity, etc. Name the logical errors. That's all. Once you have named the errors, we can discuss whether or not they are actually errors.
Sarah Bellum writes:
That's like asking, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" It's a dishonest question. There is no simple yes or no answer. I'll give you another chance though, a simple yes or no question: Is the concept of a deity a rational thing? A concept, in and of itself, is not rational or irrational. If it has sound reasoning behind it, it is rational. If it has no sound reasoning behind it, it is not rational. As Tangle has said, there can be sound reasoning behind the concept of deities. You need to point out how the reasoning behind the concept of deities is not rational."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
That doesn't answer the question. Personification is not a logical error. One thing I mentioned was the personification of natural forces."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I'm not asking for gaps. I'm asking for errors. There's enough logical lacunae there to fill (or empty?) the Olduvai Gorge."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
You asked a dishonest question and I gave an honest answer. In message 2446 you did a creditable job of ducking."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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