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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
ringo
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Message 2373 of 3207 (869562)
01-02-2020 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2368 by Sarah Bellum
01-01-2020 12:13 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
Some things might appear at first glance to be illogical.
That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm asking you to be specific about what makes the idea of gods illogical. It seems pretty clear that you can't do it.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2408 of 3207 (869658)
01-03-2020 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2403 by Faith
01-03-2020 10:39 AM


Re: Judgment is just punishment, murder is unjust killing.
Faith writes:
Genocide means murder, it means UNJUST killing....
Killing people because they live on the land you want to steal certainly is unjust.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2410 of 3207 (869663)
01-03-2020 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2409 by Faith
01-03-2020 11:18 AM


Re: Judgment is just punishment, murder is unjust killing.
Faith writes:
How can you say such things? You don't have any fear of lying about God?
That's rich coming from you.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2419 of 3207 (869703)
01-04-2020 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2415 by Phat
01-03-2020 10:37 PM


Re: Who Wrote Genesis?
Phat writes:
All that you could possibly believe in is an unknown God who is unlike anything described in any human literature and who likely does not prefer or cherish humans over any other universal species. What kind of believer is that?
One who rejects all cults equally?
Phat writes:
And what kind of God?
A big one?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2428 of 3207 (869739)
01-05-2020 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2420 by Sarah Bellum
01-04-2020 4:04 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
On the other hand, the idea of a deity hasn't even got a veneer of logic.
And yet you can't give a single example of a logical error.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2429 of 3207 (869740)
01-05-2020 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2422 by Phat
01-04-2020 4:51 PM


Re: Another Observation
Phat writes:
You all want a BIG God, should One exist. When the whole point of the Trinity and that view is to make GOD personal rather than extremely huuuuge, (like "The Force" in Star Wars. )
You're being dishonest. You yourself constantly refer to "the Creator of all that is". That is necessarily a big God.
Phat writes:
My POV is that God is knowable and approachable.
And yet your fruit doesn't show any sign of His presence.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2438 of 3207 (869947)
01-09-2020 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2434 by Sarah Bellum
01-08-2020 9:29 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
See message 2420.
I did see message 2420 and I replied to it. You asserted that the idea of gods is illogical. You didn't mention a single specific logical error in the idea.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2439 of 3207 (869948)
01-09-2020 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2435 by Sarah Bellum
01-08-2020 9:31 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
Guess that's why you're a bit evasive on this logic/deity topic?
How am I being evasive?
You're the one who's being evasive by refusing to answer a simple question: What are the specific logical errors in the idea of gods?
Just answer the question.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2440 of 3207 (869949)
01-09-2020 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2436 by Sarah Bellum
01-08-2020 9:51 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
You're the one who refuses to answer questions.
Go ahead and point out a question that i haven't answered.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2441 of 3207 (869950)
01-09-2020 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2437 by Sarah Bellum
01-08-2020 9:55 PM


Re: Protestant is Evil
Sarah Bellum writes:
You're not seriously claiming that the idea that two people born in the same location, at the same time, have the same life predicted for them by star charts is a rational idea?
Anybody who reads the thread can see that I am claiming no such thing.
Here's the entire post that you're responding to:
quote:
Sarah Bellum writes:
You can't seriously be claiming that horoscopes are rational?
I said, "You're still confusing wrong with irrational."
Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality. But that does not make the idea irrational. That's a separate issue.
If you want to claim that something is irrational, you have to show how it is irrational. You have to show the errors in reasoning. Showing that the conclusion is true doesn't cut it. Your math teacher requires you to show your work. Message 1943
I said quite plainly that, "Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality."
Are you a troll?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2445 of 3207 (869982)
01-10-2020 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2442 by Sarah Bellum
01-09-2020 9:53 PM


Re: Protestant is Evil
Sarah Bellum writes:
Is it that you're claiming the idea of deity (or horoscopes) is "wrong" but somehow not "irrational"?
Yes.
As I have pointed out, "wrong" and "irrational" are not the same thing.
All fiction is "wrong" in that it does not correspond with reality - there are no hobbits and there is no S.P.E.C.T.R.E. But it is not necessarily irrational. Rational but not real.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2446 of 3207 (869984)
01-10-2020 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2443 by Sarah Bellum
01-09-2020 10:03 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
I give you an answer and you ignore it, pretending that I haven't posted an answer.
You have not given an answer. You've just repeated the same mantra, "It's not logical, it's not logical, it's not logical."
I have asked you for specific logical errors. I have given examples - Appeal to Popularity, etc. Name the logical errors. That's all.
Once you have named the errors, we can discuss whether or not they are actually errors.
Sarah Bellum writes:
I'll give you another chance though, a simple yes or no question: Is the concept of a deity a rational thing?
That's like asking, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" It's a dishonest question. There is no simple yes or no answer.
A concept, in and of itself, is not rational or irrational. If it has sound reasoning behind it, it is rational. If it has no sound reasoning behind it, it is not rational. As Tangle has said, there can be sound reasoning behind the concept of deities.
You need to point out how the reasoning behind the concept of deities is not rational.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2451 of 3207 (870013)
01-10-2020 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2447 by Sarah Bellum
01-10-2020 6:27 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
One thing I mentioned was the personification of natural forces.
That doesn't answer the question. Personification is not a logical error.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2452 of 3207 (870014)
01-10-2020 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2448 by Sarah Bellum
01-10-2020 6:32 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
There's enough logical lacunae there to fill (or empty?) the Olduvai Gorge.
I'm not asking for gaps. I'm asking for errors.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2453 of 3207 (870015)
01-10-2020 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2449 by Sarah Bellum
01-10-2020 6:33 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes:
In message 2446 you did a creditable job of ducking.
You asked a dishonest question and I gave an honest answer.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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