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That's the most pathetic non-answer misinformation you've made yet.I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.Trump treats immigrants the way Germany treated Jews -- caging them, separating their families, failing to provide medical attention etc -- that fascist.What is comparable done by liberals?Enjoy

So no evidence, no facts, just run away from the argument because you don't have anything but opinion, bias, and assertion/s.No I don't see whispy clouds and imaginary beasts, I look at facts. Like the numbers of Trump aides that have been indicted and convicted of crimes versus other presidents, democrat and republican. And the list isn't finished yet, there are more still pending.Trump is working on being the most corrupt, conniving amoral president in history, making a real mark for himself in the history books. There are also criminal cases waiting for him when he leaves the presidency and the protection from Barr and McConnell.How many of Donald Trump's advisers have been convicted? | Trump administration | The Guardianhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/...ld-be-about-to-grow-longerMakes Nixon look like a boy scout. Why, is he better at providing actual facts?Enjoy

Presumably you have more than just a non-sequitur on fascist actions/attributes.I did a search on "Theodore Roosevelt caging kids, separating their families, failing to provide medical attention etc" ... nothing.Now I realize I may be talking to the wind, but maybe you could explain what characteristics make you think he was?Theodore Roosevelt - Wikipedia Except that climate change is a real challenge for the human race. Last time you and I talked about it, you made some comment about forest fires only in California, care to comment on what is happening in Australia?The facts are in -- climate change is happening. It is not some wildly ramped up terror conspiracy.But yeah, you don't have facts either.Enjoy

Nazism - Wikipedia

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Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system, but also incorporated fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and eugenics into its creed. ...

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And as noted previously (Message 4072) Fascism is

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Fascism (/fz’m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] ...

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Still Dictatorial. Except that largely they aren't. Even Bernie is not a socialist (according to actual definitions) -- he is a social democrat, a balanced system of government that employs socialist programs, capitalist markets and democratic governments. Of the people by the people for the people. Think FDR, the most popular president elected 4 times. And curiously I don't know any of today's democrats that are communist sympathizers. I do know some Social Democrats, but no actual socialists. Conservatives often label people with those terms to scare people away from Democrats, not because they are valid. That's because conservatives these days don't have any programs to benefit working people, it's all about making rich people richer. Thus they have to use fear instead of attractive programs.Notice that police, fire prevention, armed services, public works, etc are ALL socialist programs. That makes me really scared of socialist programs. We also see universal healthcare WORKS in other developed advance countries. Socialism Democracy is more popular now than in the 70's and 80's because the blinders are off and the boogie man has no clothes ... conservative have overplayed their hand. No, it sounds a lot more like ICE attacking immigrants, horrific detention policies, midnight raids and similar programs.This includes separating children from their parents, putting them in cages, making them sleep on cold concrete floors, providing little sanitation and health facilities. Letting some die. Treating little children no better than hardened criminals in solitary confinement.Tell me again what is worse -- that or telling people that the climate change is real (because it is) and it will likely be severe enough to cause the extinction of the human race unless we work together for a better world.Tell the people in Australia.Not surprisingly I'll take the side of those vile wicked (sarcasm Sheldon) climate change activists that want a better world for all.Enjoy

And here we have the looney-bin right spewing hateful falsehoods.Whackadoodle gibberish pretending to be rational arguments.You've lost a little bit more of your already tenuous attachment to reality.You're a hater Faith, admit it, you're not happy without your hates.Enjoy

The real one or the fake conspiracy theory one? Is it time to attack another pizza place?Don't forget to include Bengazi now, we wouldn't want you to forget what a real witch hunt looked like -- one that came up empty handed ...... while Trump is still having more convictions and indictments ... some waiting for the end of his presidency ...Enjoy

Actually all people had to do was look at the flags people were carrying at the rallies.But it's curious that the conservatives felt such a need to encourage hate that they tried to turn liberal into a derogatory term.It is actually no more hateful that conservative.But that is the party of hate for you.Enjoy

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Personally I think it is a feint, one that accomplished its purpose, to take Trump off guard because he'll think it's over and he "won" ...So I would not be surprised if there was more to come, but fully planned and targeted.Enjoy

Curiously, I find it humorous to go back to the start of some arguments to see how much you wander from your own points. It started with: And again you have dropped in another non-sequitur. What paragraph, one wonders -- not any mentioned or linked in previous parts of this conversation. Fortunately -for you - I recognized it from an extreme alt-reich facebook page I monitor for chuckles. There was, of course, a bit more to the quote than what you pasted:

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Now remember that the original issue was actions by liberals that was on the scale of Trumps fascist treatment of immigrants the way Germany treated Jews -- caging them, separating their families, failing to provide medical attention etc ...... and this (full) quote has nothing to do with anything comparable to Trump's actions that I can see, it certainly was not any part of government policy and is nothing more than opinion. Something Teddy Roosevelt had in abundance. See more facebook quotes posted by liberalist pages:Update Your Browser | FacebookUpdate Your Browser | FacebookThat last is appropriate for today's discussion/s re Trump's ability/fitness to be president.Now one could argue that these quotes show Teddy to be a populist nationalist, but that doesn't make him a fascist. Which is not surprising seeing as he was a republican, not a liberal.So your effort to provide a comparable fascist action as Trump's treatment of immigrants is a complete failure, with you attempt to hide that fact by introducing non-sequitur arguments and nothing else.RAZD list of fascist actions/policies by Trump -- score 1
marc000 list of ANY liberal president comparable -- score 0As far as I am concerned this issue is closed. You've demonstrated a lack of ability to provide an actual answer. Epic fail.All for now, new message on rest.Enjoy

Part 2 -- climate change as a leftist terrorist propaganda, actions ...Again starting back with So remember the question at hand: is it "terror" or reality: Only a conservative would take joy in death and destruction in Australia. Yes, conservative logic rides again ... when in doubt make up a conspiracy theory.

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(your link): The New South Wales Police Force said Tuesday they have taken legal action against more than 180 people, including 40 juveniles, for 205 bushfire-related offenses since November 2019. In addition to the 24 people arrested and charged for alleged arsons, 53 have been accused of failing to comply with a total fire ban and 47 with discarding lit cigarettes or matches.

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So obviously all those fires were started by deep state liberal activists as part of a covert action to terrorist people with global climate change ... the evidence is overwhelming ... except that most of the people involve were -- like Americans -- careless with matches and cigarettes (so intentional it boggles the mind).Nor have the police mentioned any coordinated conspiracy, but that doesn't stop conservative conspiracy mills from going into overdrive.Nor does it answer questions of all the other fires, nor does it address the size and aggressiveness of the fires, well beyond anything known before. So I'm sure those deep state liberal activists were out at night pouring gasoline on the fires ... {abe} oh dear, it looks like chiroptera put the find-outs on your story -- see Message 4162 -- and it's faked up by Master of lies Murdock.

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So I was right about the conservative's when in doubt make up a conspiracy theory.

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What a surprise.

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{abe2}Also see Australia fires: The viral false claim of 200 arsonists starting bushfires, explained - Vox}Hint: you're a whackadoodle conspiracy theorist that has no concept of the size and devastation of the fires, whether started by deep state liberal activists or not.Conspiracy theorist "logic:" 24 arsonists set some fires, therefore global climate change is a hoax.When I was a young man working for the Forest Service in Idaho on a summer job, I was given some forest fire fighting training. It was no easy to start a small fire for the purposes of demonstrating fire fighting techniques, because the conditions were not optimum. We were lucky.Conspiracy activists cannot create optimum conditions for forest fires -- climate does that, climate change is making it worse, with hotter and dryer conditions around the world make such fires bigger and more frequent. The Australians knew it was going to be a bad fire year because of the conditions, but they didn't know exactly how bad and big a problem it would be. More fact free assertion of conspiracy theory ignoring small details, like people aren't causing dry climates to make fires more frequent or larger, the climate is changing: it's been measured. And once again your article does not back up your claim, climate scientists are not mentioned at all, so your claim about them in unsubstantiated malarkey/shinola.Instead it shows how Americans are becoming more aware of climate change and concerned about it ... because of their own experiences with the effects of climate changes around them.

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(your link): According to a nationally representative survey from Yale University and George Mason University, 69 percent of Americans are somewhat worried about climate change and 29 percent are very worried. These are the highest values since the surveys began in 2008, and the very worried category shows an 8 percent jump compared to the previous survey published in April 2018.

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We’ve never seen that happen before, said co-author Anthony Leiserowitz, director of the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication. My read of it is that basically, people are more convinced that it’s happening and more convinced that it’s human-caused.

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Similarly, a national Reuters/Ipsos poll from December found that 72 percent of Americans consider climate change to be a moderate, serious, or imminent threat.

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A big reason for the growing concern is that many of the consequences of climate change have become impossible to ignore in recent years. The United States saw billions of dollars in damages and dozens of deaths last year as rising temperatures increased the damages from extreme events. These disasters helped make the somewhat abstract warming of the planet tangible in people’s minds.

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underline, italics added It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic how misinformed and out of touch you are.

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History of climate change science - Wikipedia

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The history of the scientific discovery of climate change began in the early 19th century when ice ages and other natural changes in paleoclimate were first suspected and the natural greenhouse effect first identified. In the late 19th century, scientists first argued that human emissions of greenhouse gases could change the climate. Many other theories of climate change were advanced, involving forces from volcanism to solar variation. Thomas Edison, pioneer of electrical technologies, voiced concern for climate change and support for renewable energy in the 1930s.[1] In the 1960s, the warming effect of carbon dioxide gas became increasingly convincing. Some scientists also pointed out that human activities that generated atmospheric aerosols (e.g., "pollution") could have cooling effects as well.

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Global Temperature Trends 1880—2017 ​ By J. Hansen, Makiko Sato, R. Ruedy, K. Lo, D.W. Lea, and M. Medina-Elizade - https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=56951439

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During the 1970s, scientific opinion increasingly favored the warming viewpoint. By the 1990s, as a result of improving fidelity of computer models and observational work confirming the Milankovitch theory of the ice ages, a consensus position formed: greenhouse gases were deeply involved in most climate changes and human-caused emissions were bringing discernible global warming. Since the 1990s, scientific research on climate change has included multiple disciplines and has expanded. Research has expanded our understanding of causal relations, links with historic data and ability to model climate change numerically. Research during this period has been summarized in the Assessment Reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

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Curiously I studied it in 1970 at university ... and have followed developments since. Going by the accuracy of your other claims, I'm not worried. Unless of course Il Donald declares martial law to take over ...OBTW -- you have failed to show that climate change is a liberal terrorist plot ... no surprise.So: marc2000 liberal terrorist plots uncovered to date 0. Epic fail.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .Edited by RAZD, : .Edited by RAZD, : ..

and so it goesIntelligence says Iranian missile downed airliner, perhaps by mistake: Trudeau | CP24.com

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OTTAWA - Canadian and foreign intelligence indicates dozens of Canadians were killed by a potentially errant Iranian missile that downed their jetliner near Tehran this week, sparking a quest for answers that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau suggested might take years.

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Trudeau said Thursday that multiple sources show that an Iranian surface-to-air missile downed the Ukraine International Airlines flight that crashed near Tehran on Wednesday. It killed all 176 people on board, including 138 passengers bound for Canada.

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The crash came after a week of soaring tensions in the Middle East, and just hours after Iran launched missile attacks on bases in Iraq where American and allied troops are stationed. Iran said the attacks were retaliation for the American killing of Maj.-Gen. Qassem Soleimani near Baghdad last week.

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Trudeau said it was too soon to blame any particular country for Canada's losses, including the United States. Trudeau repeatedly said there needs to be a complete and thorough investigation to get a complete picture of what happened.

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The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile. This may well have been unintentional, Trudeau told a Parliament Hill news conference Thursday afternoon.

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He declined to offer other details about the nature of the information in Canada's hands but added that the preliminary conclusions we've been able to draw based on intelligence and evidence today are clear enough for me to share them with Canadians right now.

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Canadians, so polite, not like our American Bellicose Pseudopresident ... "Trudeau said it was too soon to blame any particular country for Canada's losses, including the United States."EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .

Except that Schrubbia and Trumpy Dumbty have both increased the size of government more than Obama or Clinton.Republicans are better characterized by what they do (acts) than by what they say. A fake news piece trying to make GOP fascism acceptable to their base. Worked for you. Your healthcare increased because of the free market. There was/is no public option (medicare for all) to keep costs down. The republicans are responsible for keeping the public option out of the ACA.The second Obama administration was dominated by GOP house and senate, working as hard as possible to dismember the ACA, including raising costs. Blame the GOP as Obama had nothing to do with ACA costs in his second term. Like the health insurance companies did.Personally I think that anyone who profits from the misery of others is the most evil despicable kind of person.Enjoy

No, not a socialist country, but a country with some socialist policies, because most countries -- especially democratic ones -- find that using government resources to accomplish some tasks is of benefit to all their citizens Decided democratically. Indeed we can, and the evidence shows that GOP run state economies fail while Dem run state economies prosper. This of course includes GOP fake trickle-down give tax to the rich policies as in Brownback's failed Kansas state economy:

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One year ago Kansas was still nursing a hangover from a disastrous tax-cutting experiment by former Republican Gov. Sam Brownback, who slashed individual income-tax rates and eliminated taxes on pass-through income from certain businesses. Even though a bipartisan super-majority of the state legislature had repealed the Brownback program over his veto in 2017, the state was still dealing with a residual $351 million revenue shortfall for fiscal 2018, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. In addition to its No. 35 overall ranking last year, Kansas finished a dismal No. 45 in the Economy category.

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... vs Dem minimum wage and healthcare etc policies building strong and growing economies.

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It's liberal Minnesota vs. GOP Wisconsin in study of economic growth

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The latest volley comes from a liberal research group, the Economic Policy Institute, which finds that on a multitude of key measures, Minnesota’s economic performance over the past seven years has been markedly better than that of its neighbor to the east.

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Put another way, Minnesota has fared better economically under Democrats than Wisconsin has under Republicans, according to a study released Tuesday by the Washington, D.C.-based organization.

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Latest data show Minnesota economy crushing it vs. Wisconsin | NewsCut | Minnesota Public Radio News

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Since the end of the Great Recession, Minnesota has outpaced the Badger State.

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The only category where Wisconsin held an edge was in total jobs. It made sense since Wisconsin has a significantly larger population than Minnesota. But in 2015 the trend was clear that when it came to total employees and total private sector employees, Minnesota was coming for Wisconsin so much so that I wrote, It will not be surprising to see Minnesota eclipse Wisconsin in a few years, I wrote.

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Last month, it happened.

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Given the evidence of these state "experiments" in fiscal policies, one would have to be an idiot to vote republican if they wanted a good local state economy.In fact every place that has raised the minimum wage has seen the local economy improve, with lower unemployment and higher wages and job satisfaction, more retention of workers, and higher productivity so more company stability. The basic reason is that more money in workers pockets means more spending at local level, and less time spent in multiple jobs means more time to spend it. Fewer people working multiple jobs means more opportunities for employment.Because the economy trickles up, not down. Democratically Elected officials making decisions on how to run their states influencing where people want to live and work, influencing companies on where to locate ... oh the horror ... The US Military budget is the largest hunk of federal funding in the economy.Interstate highways are run by the Federal Highway Administration.Then there are federal standards for water, sewer and other public services that set a minimum level of compliance for public safety and health. There probably is not a single business that is not in some way affected by federal regulations that are there to protect and support the public welfare. Quite evidentially wrong.

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U.S. Constitution - Preamble - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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... made Democratically by Elected officials at local, state and federal levels ... oh the horror ... Yes, socialism -- democratic socialism, where the decisions are made democratically, either through direct vote (referendums) or through representatives elected democratically.Socialism as an economic tool to offset the failures of unrestrained capitalism (rampant poverty, homelessness and poor health for instance) rather than a form of government. There are more empty homes than there are homeless people, an obvious sign that the economy is out of whack with peoples "general Welfare."EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : ..

With bi-partisan support and with republicans that wouldn't pass muster as republicans today -- back when it was okay for republicans to be liberal and open minded.Enjoy