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Author Topic:   Does God Really Exist???
MisterOpus1
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Message 16 of 305 (87007)
02-17-2004 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:10 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
quote:
but who invented Alexander Fleming???
His parents?
[QUOTE]Who gave him the knowledge[QUOTE] He kinda earned that all on his own, didn't he?
quote:
who allowed him to be born,
His parents? Since they chose not to abort, I guess they had a little somethin' to do with it. Biologically speaking, a fertile egg from mom and a happy little sperm cell from dad allowed the chance for fertilization, I guess.
quote:
who gave him the breathe of life?
The doctor spankin' him on the ass? I assume ass spanking was invented to help the child start breathing by that time, but I digress.
Hey, this is fun. What else ya got?

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CreationMan
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Message 17 of 305 (87014)
02-17-2004 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by MisterOpus1
02-17-2004 1:23 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
Ok so let's keep playing the logical game and keep going back and asking "Who allowed that who allowed that..." Ultimately the parents of the parents of the children and the Doctor all had to have a beginning. It's called cause and effect. And it starts from God. Ultimately God is the cause and we are the effect. If you don't want to have a serious discussion I'm going to ask you to go somewhere else. I started this topic for people who are both serious and INTELLIGENT. Both are desired from me to even consider your response.
Thanks

"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"
Creation Man

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CreationMan
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Message 18 of 305 (87016)
02-17-2004 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Cthulhu
02-17-2004 1:20 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
No you don't, that's why I said
Lets suppose

"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"
Creation Man

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CreationMan
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Message 19 of 305 (87017)
02-17-2004 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Dan Carroll
02-17-2004 1:18 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
Hmmm.... this is interesting.......I'm waiting for the Admins to jump all over you and tell you to stick to the topic. The topic is
Does God Really Exist
Not Which God Really Exists.
That is a completely different topic....right there YOU are assuming that God does exist. Let's stick to the topic ok?

"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"
Creation Man

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Cthulhu
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Message 20 of 305 (87018)
02-17-2004 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:47 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
Huh?
1. "Let's suppose" counts as an assumption.
2. I do not see the words "Let's suppose" anywhere in your post.

Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

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Dan Carroll
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Message 21 of 305 (87021)
02-17-2004 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:50 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
I'm not straying off topic. You said that if God exists, then I have eternal torment coming my way. I asked you which eternal torment that would be. There are so many to choose from, after all.

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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CreationMan
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Message 22 of 305 (87022)
02-17-2004 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by :æ:
02-17-2004 1:19 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
But Let's suppose for a minute that God really does exist.
First give us a good reason to.
Ok, I would be glad to. Just as it is impossible for buildings to be built by an explosion in a brick factory, likewise it's biologically impossible for life to have originated by an explosion (big bang) 15 - 20 billion years ago.
You want more? I've got lot's.

"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"
Creation Man

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CreationMan
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Message 23 of 305 (87023)
02-17-2004 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Cthulhu
02-17-2004 1:50 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
Keep looking it's there...
And I was asking Dan Carrol to "suppose" because he doesn't believe in God and asked me "who cares?"

"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"
Creation Man

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CreationMan
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Message 24 of 305 (87024)
02-17-2004 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Dan Carroll
02-17-2004 1:53 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
You asked me "Who Cares?"
So I answered....
Let's stay on topic everyone, myself included.

"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"
Creation Man

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AdminBrian
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Message 25 of 305 (87025)
02-17-2004 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:50 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
Hi,
Oh Admin is lurking and no one has posted off topic.
Members are answering the question 'Does God exist'. Some are saying that they do not care, some are saying that there is no way to know for sure. You are saying that He does exist, so far, it is you who is having difficulty explaining your position.
If the thread strays off topic I will let members know.
AdminBrian

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Message 26 of 305 (87026)
02-17-2004 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:44 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
CreationMan writes:
Ultimately the parents of the parents of the children and the Doctor all had to have a beginning.
Why? Because you say so?
It's called cause and effect. And it starts from God. Ultimately God is the cause and we are the effect.
As I understand your argument, you are insisting that since everything we observe has a prior cause, there must be one thing that is without a cause. How is it a valid to deduce the existence of one thing with property not-X when everything we observe has property X?
Say I have a sack full of 1000 colored marbles. I don't know what color(s) they are, but I'm going to begin sampling them. I pull the first out and it is blue. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are also the same color of blue. As a matter of fact every marble I pull out up to the 999th marble is the same identical color of blue.
What color would you guess the last marble is? Yellow? Why?
That is what your argument is saying. It says everything we observe has a prior cause (i.e. every marble so far is blue), therefore there must be one thing without a cause (i.e. the last marble is probably yellow). If we are to make any extrapolations from our past experience, it is more reasonable to extrapolate along the devloping trend than specifically against it.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 27 of 305 (87027)
02-17-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:57 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
quote:
You asked me "Who Cares?"
So I answered....
No... you didn't. You said that I should care because I will be tormented if I'm wrong.
So I outlined for you the many ways in which we can all be wrong, including you.
We've both got an equal chance at the pit here, guy.
So if your belief gains you no assurances, why should I care?
In short... who cares?

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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AdminBrian
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Message 28 of 305 (87028)
02-17-2004 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:54 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
Hi,
Ok, I would be glad to. Just as it is impossible for buildings to be built by an explosion in a brick factory, likewise it's biologically impossible for life to have originated by an explosion (big bang) 15 - 20 billion years ago.
If this is your best effort then these guys will eat you alive, perhaps you better read a little more before dragging out old chestnuts such as this.
You want more? I've got lot's.
Chances are, if your first one is anything to go by, these guys will slaughter you.
This isn't going to be pretty.
AdminBrian.
PS, before posting some of your 'lots' of arguments maybe you should trawl the Net or the Forums here to see if they have been refuted before.
Best of luck CM, take care.

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Message 29 of 305 (87030)
02-17-2004 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by CreationMan
02-17-2004 1:54 PM


Re: Spoiled Brat
CreationMan writes:
Just as it is impossible for buildings to be built by an explosion in a brick factory...
Please support this assertion. I don't believe it to be impossible, however improbable it may be.
...it's biologically impossible for life to have originated by an explosion (big bang) 15 - 20 billion years ago.
Support please. All I see are bald assertions. Don't tell me, SHOW me.
You want more? I've got lot's.
I asked for GOOD reasons, not bare assertions. While I'm sure you have plenty of the latter, I'd like to see just one of the former, thanks just the same.

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Phat
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Message 30 of 305 (87035)
02-17-2004 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Dan Carroll
02-17-2004 2:01 PM


Darwinsterrier writes:
I’ll start showing an interest in god when he starts showing an interest in us. Fixing malaria would be a start.
By logic, why then will He not fix everything? What type of world would it be then?
Mammuthus writes:
There could be a god,(...)However, there is no way to know, no way to go about knowing, and no way to determine which is correct among the infinite possibilities
Who says that the possibilities are infinite? There is a difference between Monotheistic Omnipotance and Infinite comprehension.
Mr.Hambre writes:
I find it curious that so many of our creationist colleagues are so hell bent (as it were) on proving God through whatever scientific procedures they deem appropriate.
I agree. You don't try and prove a supernatural concept with natural applications. One scripture that I like which reflects my agreement with you is this:
1 Cor 1:18-19= For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
CreationMan writes:
If there is no way of "knowing" that there is a God, could there possibly be NO WAY of knowing that there is NO God?
I know that before I got saved, I thought that there could be a God, but in all honestly, I thought that there could also NOT be a God.
Now, however, I am certain.
Dan Carroll writes:
"so who cares?"
And it is my Belief that God cares. I certainly like your humor, Dan.

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