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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 86 of 133 (870118)
01-12-2020 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
01-12-2020 6:54 AM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Faith writes:
Interesting that of course there is no explanation of WHY we did what we did.
If we figure out WHY Charles Manson did what he did, does that justify what he did?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 91 of 133 (870159)
01-13-2020 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
01-12-2020 3:39 PM


Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Phat writes:
One should not have to be responsible for what one does not fully understand or create.
So ignorance is an excuse? "But officer, I didn't know the car couldn't drive itself while I was texting."
Phat writes:
You claim that socialism is the answer...
No, I don't claim that anything is "the answer". I don't believe that there is a magical "the answer". That idea is pushed by opportunists like Trump for their own benefit.
But we are a social species and we do depend on socialism a lot more than some people are willing to admit.
Phat writes:
But being broke is NOT an option.
You're almost right there. Nobody decides to go broke. But it often does happen inevitably as a consequence of our actions.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 93 of 133 (870358)
01-17-2020 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Phat
01-17-2020 1:31 AM


Re: The Whole White Privilege Argument Is Tired.
Phat writes:
We are all in this together.
That's what I keep saying - from each according to his ability to each according to his need. Everybody should pay what he can. But you and Trump don't want your precious privilege touched. You wan't to pay the same as the starving children in Africa and keep your collection of ivory backscratchers for your retirement.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 102 of 133 (870430)
01-19-2020 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Phat
01-18-2020 2:40 AM


Re: The Whole White Privilege Argument Is Tired.
Phat writes:
That's a crock---putting me in Trump's category!
At least you still have the decency to object.
But every topic doesn't have to be about you. I was referring, maybe too subtly, to Trumps constant whining about the other nations not paying their share toward NATO, the UN, etc. That's a Trumpian attitude that Americans don't criticize enough. You helped create the America that you live in.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 103 of 133 (870432)
01-19-2020 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by dwise1
01-18-2020 3:36 PM


Re: YOU FINALLY GOT TO ME
dwise1 writes:
Amazing how the arbitrary redrawing of the world's maps by France and England a century ago can have caused and still be causing us so many problems.
Not to mention Africa - drawing the lines to divide up the resources, without regard to ethnicities.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 125 of 133 (870514)
01-21-2020 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Phat
01-20-2020 12:44 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
Phat writes:
On a simple level, I think that the US wants Iraq to become democratic(as in friendly trading partner)....
In terms of international relations and trade, stability is more important than democracy. Democracies tend to be unstable. The US and Canada, for example, tend to swing back and forth between left and right every decade or so. Sometimes, some clod like Trump decides to undo all the deals done by the previous administration.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 133 of 133 (870541)
01-21-2020 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Phat
01-21-2020 3:49 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
Phat writes:
Perhaps Moscow Mitch and the Senate Republicans see Trump as stable enough for their interests which are not so much democratic as they are republican nationalist.
Trump's stability isn't really the issue. True, he'd probably be as incompetent a dictator as he is at everything else - but the point is that Americans, and to be fair most nations, don't mind dealing with a dictator as long as they know what to expect.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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