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JonF
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Message 4099 of 5796 (869792)
01-05-2020 4:26 PM
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01-05-2020 4:12 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
Still zero.

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JonF
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Message 4144 of 5796 (869883)
01-07-2020 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 4135 by Faith
01-07-2020 12:02 AM


Re: Sanctimonious defense of injustice by Christtianity Today
Oh and let me also point out that the Dem candidates are not proposing to give up their own wealth, they are promising to steal it from others who for the most part earned it rightfully
But they are proposing fair taxation of the wealthy. Everyone benefits from our society and owes society fair recompense for those benefits.
Most of the wealthy (including Trump) "earned" that wealth by being born wealthy.

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JonF
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Message 4169 of 5796 (869965)
01-09-2020 8:00 PM


Nothing to see here, move along
Trump’s DOJ quietly ends two-year fishing expedition on the Clintons and admits it found nothing
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On Thursday, the Washington Post reported that the Department of Justice is quietly winding down a two-year probe into the Clintons, and admitting that nothing of consequence was found to suggest they had committed any sort of criminal offense.
The probe, conducted by U.S. Attorney John Huber, began as an attempt by former Attorney General Jeff Sessions to satisfy Republicans who had been clamoring for President Donald Trump to fulfill one of his campaign slogans and lock her up.
Huber focused in particular on the debunked right-wing conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton traded approval of the sale of a Canadian uranium company operating in the United States to the Russian government, in return for contributions from its board to her family’s charitable foundation.
In reality, Clinton did not have unilateral veto power over the sale, and the donor to the Clinton Foundation had sold his stake in Uranium One long before the deal. But Republicans still did everything they could to turn Uranium One into shorthand for the Clintons’ supposed corruption.

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JonF
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Message 4187 of 5796 (870056)
01-11-2020 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 4178 by marc9000
01-10-2020 8:37 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
No, it doesn't mean any country with those services is a socialist country.
Any country with those services has some socialist services and may have many non-socialist aspects.
Why is it so many creationists and RWNJs have no concept of "some?
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 4208 of 5796 (870113)
01-12-2020 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 4203 by Faith
01-12-2020 7:12 AM


Re: Climate Issues - The 5 corrupt pillars of climate denial
We've done a LOT over the years, our own environment is quite clean.
Trump's undoing what we've achieved as fast as he can.
Redirect Notice
quote:
When U.S. government scientists released their latest volume of the National Climate Assessment, it revealed much about the robust, sobering scientific consensus on climate change. It also revealed the striking disconnect between President Donald Trump and essentially every authoritative institution on the threat of global warming. The president rejected the assessment's central findingsbased on thousands of climate studies and involving 13 federal agenciesthat emissions of carbon dioxide are caused by human activities, are already causing lasting economic damage, and have to be brought rapidly to zero.
"I don't believe it. No, no, I don't believe it," Trump said. Immediately, his cabinet members launched attacks on the report, portraying it as "alarmist" and clinging to Trump's agenda of fossil fuel energy expansion that the science says is at the root of the problem.
...
Suppressing climate and related science. In almost every agency overseeing energy, the environment and health, Trump selected top officials who dispute the mainstream consensus on the urgency of climate action. People with little scientific background, or strong ties to industries they would be regulating, were appointed to scientific leadership positions. One of the administration's first actions was to order scientists and other employees at EPA and other agencies to halt public communications. Several federal scientists working on climate change have said they were silenced, sidelined or demoted. At least threea senior employee at the Department of Interior, one at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and another at the National Park Serviceinvoked whistleblower protections. Independent science advisors, such as members of the EPA's Board of Scientific Counselors, have also been sidelined. Scientific content on government websites has been altered and the public's access to data reduced. Climate data from the government's open portal website was removed. So was the EPA's climate change website. The words "climate change" have been purged from government reports, and other reports have been buried, including by officials at the Department of Agriculture. The administration even edited a major Defense Department report to downplay its climate findings. Through speeches and tweets, the president has repeatedly spread misinformation to the public through his climate denial and denigration of renewable energy.
EPA, meanwhile, is working to finalize its proposal to suppress the types of scientific evidence the agency can use in writing its rules. This includes prohibiting the use of well-established, long-term scientific studies underpinning the nation's air pollution rules, a change the fossil fuel industry had sought for years. Known as the "secret science" rule, it has been lambasted by scientists and health experts worldwide. Related, the White House issued a memo offering new ways for fossil fuel and other industries to challenge science-based policies.
Undermining clean energy development and energy efficiency. In its budget proposals, the Trump administration has made clear its resolve to retreat from a federal role in advancing a clean energy economy and maintaining global leadership in the technology. It has proposed repeatedly to radically slash funding for the Department of Energy's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE), a move that would cripple support for novel and promising technologies for advanced wind turbines, high-tech materials, energy-efficient buildings and more. He has tried to eliminate tax credits for electric vehicles and made several attempts to eliminate the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) program, an incubator for cutting-edge energy research and development. Congress has largely rebuffed this scale of funding cut.
Sorry, it's China's turn and India's
And they are stepping up to the plate after we dropped the ball.
India Announces Stronger Climate Action | NRDC
quote:
India is one of the few countries on its way to meet its Nationally Determined Commitments stated in the Paris Agreement in 2015. Speaking at the Climate Action Summit in New York, Prime Minister Modi announced an ambitious plan for India’s climate actions, including a massive scale-up of renewable energy.
As Prime Minister Modi said: the scale of global action required to combat climate change is still lackingWe need a comprehensive approach to include values, lifestyles, and development priorities to combat climate change. He added that India has come with a strong roadmap and is taking concrete steps domestically.
China is on track to meet its climate change goals nine years early | New Scientist
quote:
China appears on track to reach its carbon goals up to nine years earlier than planned under the Paris agreement, in a potential huge boost for efforts to tackle climate change.
The world’s biggest polluter accounts for a quarter of humanity’s emissions today, making the nation a crucial part of any efforts to avoid dangerous global warming.
Now an analysis has found that China’s emissions could peak at 13 to 16 gigatonnes of CO2 between 2021 and 2025, making what the researchers call a a great contribution to meeting the Paris deal’s goal of limiting temperature rises to 2C. The official target is a peak by around 2030".

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JonF
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Message 4209 of 5796 (870114)
01-12-2020 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 4207 by Faith
01-12-2020 12:09 PM


Re: Climate Issues - The 5 corrupt pillars of climate denial
Addressing climate change is addressing an existential threat. Every year we delay it gets more expensive. It's costing us many billions per7hear.
China is doing their part. Trump is fighting to make the problem worse.

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JonF
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Message 4215 of 5796 (870129)
01-12-2020 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 4213 by marc9000
01-12-2020 4:21 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
I think a greater tipping point will come concerning increasing, unsustainable U.S. debt
Complain to the Republicans. And their massive giveaways to the rich.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 4230 of 5796 (870144)
01-12-2020 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 4218 by marc9000
01-12-2020 4:53 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
So, totally disconnected from reality.
Your reply had no connection to my message.

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JonF
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Message 4249 of 5796 (870185)
01-14-2020 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 4243 by marc9000
01-13-2020 9:24 PM


Re: Climate Issues
I note that your quotes concern local weather, not global climate change.

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JonF
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Message 4266 of 5796 (870252)
01-15-2020 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 4263 by Faith
01-15-2020 7:59 AM


Re: Fascism, Nationalism, and The Left & Right Strategies
See, that's the kind of rhetoric that fosters divisions.
Coup is defined as "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government". No liberals have been trying to do that or talking about doing that. Talking about carrying out a coup is limited to right-wing militias.
Fascism is defined as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition". I suppose that you think liberals espouse that but, as usual, you can't provide any support. Yeah, Reagan did say something exceptionally stupid about fascism. That didn't affect the reality that fascism is right-wing.

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JonF
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Message 4272 of 5796 (870261)
01-15-2020 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 4184 by Faith
01-11-2020 4:58 AM


Re: LIBERAL is not a derogatory term, no matter how hard you try ...
All the Democrats spend their time doing is criticizing the opposition, pointing the finger, finding fault, giving no benefit of the doubt or having any other civilized notion. Inventing reasons to put restrictions on people, create an oppressive tyranny in which they tell the rest of us what to do.
You forgot to mention the over 400 bills the Democratic House has passed but the Republican Senate has ignored. Too busy packing the courts with unqualified but ideologically correct judges to do any governing.
(Yes, Republicans don't like some of the bills. In a functioning government the House and Senate would try to work out some acceptable to both sides.)
Your tyranny fantasy is too ridiculous to require reply.

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JonF
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Message 4274 of 5796 (870263)
01-15-2020 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 4269 by Percy
01-15-2020 12:27 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS FAKE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
Trickle down isn't that significant because even though the rich control a huge proportion of the wealth, there are not that many of them, and they can only buy so many houses, boats and planes, only throw so many parties, only buy so much jewelry and designer clothing.
And they are not significant "job creators".
Rich People Actually Don't Create the Jobs

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JonF
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Message 4289 of 5796 (870308)
01-16-2020 1:52 PM


Where's the crime?

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JonF
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Message 4290 of 5796 (870309)
01-16-2020 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 4284 by Percy
01-16-2020 10:20 AM


Re: Climate Issues - The 5 corrupt pillars of climate denial
...and continue to do it.
Under Trump we do not continue to "do it." Trump is rolling back environmental regulations wherever he can.
Trump set to gut water protections - POLITICO
quote:
The administration has not disclosed the exact timing or content of its revised water rule, but the version it proposed in 2018 would according to the agency’s own analyses remove environmental protections for roughly half the country’s wetlands and millions of miles of streams. Those include the vast majority of waterways in arid states like Arizona and Nevada.
How the Trump Administration Plans to Gut Our Nation’s Bedrock Environmental Law - Union of Concerned Scientists
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Some of the most egregious proposed revisions would:
  • Redefine what constitutes a major federal action, thus narrowing the scope of what projects require environmental review.
  • Eliminate the requirement to evaluate cumulative effects, and collapse the distinction between direct and indirect effects.
  • Allow companies to conduct their own environmental review (under supervision of an agency).
  • Set arbitrary timelines and page limits for environmental impact assessments.
  • Hamper the ability for communities to engage meaningfully with the NEPA process.


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JonF
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Message 4292 of 5796 (870315)
01-16-2020 3:51 PM


On the Republican party
Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
Rick Wilson has some interesting thoughts:
quote:
Yeah, the party’s dead. The party’s gone. I don’t see any pathway for it to come back. There is nobody in this party who feels a need for reconciliation. They don’t want to face their truth. Calling me a former Republican is accurate in every meaningful way, but nobody in the party wants to look at what’s been created.
They don’t want to look at the expansion of government, the expansion of debt, the expansion of executive power, the expansion of mainstream abuse of people. All those things are repugnant to a conservative. I’m not doing the no true Scotsman. I’m doing the actual heart of Burkean conservatism, which is individual liberty and respect and dignity should be part of what you believe in. This guy is the antithesis of all that. He’s breeding a generation of people who believe abuse is beneficial.

  
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