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Message 91 of 92 (870159)
01-13-2020 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Thugpreacha
01-12-2020 3:39 PM

Re: Why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.
Phat writes:

One should not have to be responsible for what one does not fully understand or create.

So ignorance is an excuse? "But officer, I didn't know the car couldn't drive itself while I was texting."

Phat writes:

You claim that socialism is the answer...

No, I don't claim that anything is "the answer". I don't believe that there is a magical "the answer". That idea is pushed by opportunists like Trump for their own benefit.

But we are a social species and we do depend on socialism a lot more than some people are willing to admit.

Phat writes:

But being broke is NOT an option.

You're almost right there. Nobody decides to go broke. But it often does happen inevitably as a consequence of our actions.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 92 of 92 (870325)
01-17-2020 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by ringo
01-13-2020 10:48 AM

The Whole White Privilege Argument Is Tired.
ringo writes:

So ignorance is an excuse?

How could I be expected to be responsible for what my ancestors *may* have done? I agree with the "white privilege" advocates that there was in fact an artificial construct and an invisible advantage to being white due to our ancestors. I am also aware that the US continues this in some measure today and that part we all are responsible for. But the whole idea of reparations is impractical and counterproductive. Should any bills come due, the entire planet will either pay them off together or the bills will be forgotten. I once had a bankruptcy and there was no practical way to ever pay off those debts in an entire lifetime. Forgiving the debts allowed me to make a new start in life and I am now able to work, live, and survive due to that action. I feel that the US should be extended the same courtesy by the global community. Or is that what you were even referring to by "ignorance"? Heck, the average citizen has no idea what the government does with the money.

But we are a social species and we do depend on socialism a lot more than some people are willing to admit.
That's what I mean. We are all in this together. Remember what happened when the allies tried to gang up on Germany to pay the bill after WW I? It failed. Lesson learned.

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