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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What Trump did was absolutely legal, absolutely within the Constitutional powers of the executive branch, only there is so much ignorance of these things, so much pure political motivation, and so much blind irrational hatred of the man, they criminalize him for doing his duty as President. He has never once abused his power, not once, but there has been plenty of abuse of power in the Congress trying to criminalize his perfectly legal actions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Soleimani was killed in Baghdad where he was planning to kill more people. I thought killing him was a response to his other crimes but apparently there was more to it as he was in Baghdad with new plans in mind.
Trump had no obligation at all to inform anyone of his activities, as no President before him as ever done either. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
JonF is right, I was talking about taking out the terrorist Suleimani, not about the Ukrainian situation, but as to the latter Trump was not asking for anything related to anything personal at all, that's all made up by the Left, he was asking about corruptions within the Ukraine that always affect whether or not we will send aid to any nation. The corruptions in this case relate to the 2016 election tampering by the Democrats against Trump, and to the Biden situation where it seems HE withheld aid about a PERSONAL matter. Trump did not, Trump certainly had no personal reasons to go after Biden who was not at that time and probably never will be a contender in the next election anyway. That's such a bunch of bogus BS. But a President has the obligation to refuse aid to countries engaged in known corruption.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The "existence" of a law is not the point since Congress makes up bogus laws out of sheer hatred of Trump, and there is precedent for this kind of subterfuge in the Congress that impeached Andrew Johnson on the basis of an unconstitutional law they passed to prevent him from firing his War Secretary because they didn't want him to do that, although it was completely within his Constitutional power to do so. Same with the War Powers law apparently, they can't pass a law preventing the President from doing his Constitut8ionally defined duty.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I see I never directly answered this post of yours, so I'll do so now:
Percy writes: Faith writes: You're getting the wrong news as usual. Fake News. I've been hearing for days about the Iranians protesting against their own government for the attack on the Ukrainian airliner, and yes, thanking Trump for taking out the terrorist they all hate. You're making up your own reality. Qasem Soleimani was a hero to the Iranian people for planning and implementing operations, terrorist and otherwise, against hated western nations. Iranians as a group are not thanking Trump for assassinating Soleimani, and they definitely do not love Americans. Does "Death to America" have a familiar ring to it? Does your memory go back far enough to remember the storming of our embassy in Iraq only a couple weeks ago: Protesters Attack U.S. Embassy in Iraq, Chanting ‘Death to America’. The protests were sponsored and instigated by Iran. So now to answer this ridiculous stuff DIRECTLY with the videos from Erica Kasraie in Message 4323 and Message 4324. She says that the supposed "love" for Soleimeini was all propaganda by the government, who even required their own employees to make it look like he was loved, whereas the Iranian people in general are very very happy that Solameini was taken out and yes actually tweeting Thanks to Trump. And yes also "liking" his tweet in Farsi in support of the Iranian people in unprecedentedly great numbers. She mentions that she was taught to say "Death to America" when she was only seven. How many actual Iranians share that sentiment is open to question since it's forced on them by the government. Please listen to these videos, at least two minutes of the first one from 1:00, and it would be really nice if you'd actually apologize but I won't hold my breath. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Congress made a law on which they impeached Andrew Johnson for disobeying it.
Trump did not wage war. he was specifically aiminhg to end war. Only the Left invented the other line. if the War Powers resolution is unconstitutional then it should be challeneged in the courts. Otherwise I think morally we are always in the right to disobey a bogus law.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Calling it waging war does not make it waging war. War has to be formally declared and there are many kinds of interventions short of war.
AbE: We on the right knew there was no danger of war, and thought it weird and even funny to see the hysterics on the Left about how it was going to bring on war. I'm glad to see that Erica Kasraie also knew there was no danger of war. Even if Iran had been stupid enough to retaliate in a way that killed Americans Trump would simply have ordered a new operation against them that woujld have ended it. As Kasraie said, going up against our powerful military would be a bad move. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But why did you feel the need to find news about the Iranian Protests against their government for downing an airliner? No one disputes this. It doesn't change the fact that Iranians also hate America, especially after the assassination of Soleimani. The fact is that the Iranian population in general does not hate America and they do happen to be the same Iranians who are protesting the downing of the Ukrainian airplane. What I found is the videos by the American Iranian woman Erica Kasraie which I posted for you and hope you get to soon, because what she is saying is what I keep hearing. I'm not making any of this up. I'm a single voice at EvC but there are millions who are saying the same thing out there that hardly ever gets reported here or only reported to be debunked. Millions and millions, Percy. From my conservative sources I heard what a good thing it was that Trump took out the terrorist, I heard that the crowds mourning him were a propaganda setup by the Iranian government, eventually I started hearing how there were protestors out there thanking Trump, and this is what Ms. Kasraie says too, and she calls herself a watcher of the Middle East. I also heard how the Left was trying to claim that Trump acted against his Constitutional powers but that what he did was exactly what other Presidents have done and that it was completely within his Constitutional powers. The gist is that we should be thanking him and praising him for what he did but the Left won't do that because of who he is. Everybody praised Obama for taking out Bin Laden in pretty much the same way, but no, if it's Trump he's turned into a criminal. And just for the record I hardly ever hear Fox News. I don't have a TV and whatever I hear is usually sound bites from it on the conservative talk shows. Hope you get to the lady's videos soon, she's saying what I've been saying and doing a much better job of it. AbE: BY THE WAY you say I'm always talking about fake news but never able to demonstrate it. Weird to me of course because it's so pervasive you are swimming in it and repeating it yourself all the time, but anyway Ms. Kasraie says the outpouring of mourning for Solameini was orchestrated by the Islamic state, so the line that it was real mourning for a beloved general must qualify as fake news. But only if you believe her of course. She also calls the media a propaganda organ or something like that./abe Oh and I really don't care about your photos, they have nothing to do with this discussion. Trump had nothing to do with it anyway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Also consider that if it's okay for our government to declare a general of a country with whom we are not at war a terrorist and assassinate him, then it's okay for other governments to do the same to us. Listen to the videos I posted. But you shouldn't have to. Just on the face of it this is ridiculous. This guy is known for his murdering of Americans and others based on the Islamic jihadi point of view of the current Iranian government, which is NOT supported by a majority of Iranians. But even if it was we are certainly within our rights to kill a murderer of Americans. And if they retaliate and kill more then we'd be right to do more damage to them.
As Trump himself rhetorically asked, "You think our country's so innocent?" Countries who would like to declare the United States an outlaw terrorist nation would be able to muster plenty of evidence. So what? They'll always spin even our righteous acts that way and most of them ARE righteous.
The Trump assassination of Seleimani does appear, at least from the publicly available intelligence, to have convinced Iran to try to be more temperate in choosing its terrorist targets. They understand now, as we already know here at home, that Trump is rash and impulsive. What you "know" is just the usual propaganda. He did not act rashly at all, and he usually doesn't even when the Left accuses him of it. Taking out Solemaini was a well intelligenced well planned operation against a terrorist. And there was something really disgusting about all the alarmist fears on the Left of how this was going to bring on war. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please stop making reference to us. People should only post when they have facts or rational arguments to contribute. All you've quoted from me concerns my lament that so many hate Trump without a cause. At least in those quotes I don't refer to EvC and I'm referring really to the whole Leftist mentality I know is out there, NOT to EvC. And of course you accuse me of all the perfidies the Left always accuses the right of so let me give you the other point of view just for the record:
I would never laud assassination, It was justice, not assassination.
abuse of power, Trump has never abused his power, that's all a bogus accusation by the Left. But the House certain absued ITS power.
obstruction of justice, Trump has never committed this either. In fact he isn't even accused of it. They got smart and realized he hadn't, so they changed their articles of impeachmet to "obstruction of Congress" which is a weird idea that they made up and makes no basis for impeaching him. Hillary DID however commit obstruction of justice when she destroyed all the evidence of her classified emails, and her husband WAS impeached for actual obstruction of justice, one of eleven felonies he was accused of.
lying, This is said so often I don't even know what it means and even if Trump gets things wrong it's not necessarily lying. And in this recent exchange here you started out calling him a liar for what he tweeted to the Iranian people about supporting them and I believe I've answered that accusation more than sufficiently; no lie at all, just political propaganda against him.
misogyny, Ridiculous.
racism, xenophobia, Marxist political correctness, bunch of lies intended to intimidate and denigrate their opponents.
polluting the environment, Political spin that is open to discussion but won't be discussed because according to the Left they are simply right and any opposition is just wrong because it isn't what they think.
denigrating anyone and everyone who disagrees, He answers some of the ridiculous accusations against him by people who hate him and say things about him that are comkpletely false, but it's his defending himself you attack.
vengefulness, No idea what this refers to but as usual I think of the vengefulness on the Left against him for simply having won the election against Hillary. It's been nothing but a vendetta trying to take him out ever since.
etc. I'm on record as objecting to Reagan's foolishness (e.g., trees pollute more than cars and ketchup is a vegetable) as much as Clinton's mendacity ("It all depends upon what the meaning of the word is is.)" Total non sequitur.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I mean like TYPICAL AMERICAN justice, the kind we've always practiced in such situations that nobody ever objected to until Trump did it. Did anyone call taking out Bin Laden "assassination" of a rightful foreign official? Did anyone object when Obama didn't get Congressional approval?
It was the Democrats in jthe House that refused to allow the Presdident due process. You guys can twist and turn anything upsxide down. What "oversight" of the President? They do not have the right to interfere in his Constitutionally given powers, that's what separate of powers means and it is THEY who are violating it, not Trump. Not only did these House fascists interfere in Trump's lawful actions, and absurdly try to criminale them, but now they are trying to tell the Senate what to do. Somebody needs to give then a good smackdown. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't lie3 you lyinbg rat.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, you should get your moral compass checked because the impeachment is nothing but a big fat sham and they DID make sure the Presdent's side did not get due proce3ss and even if your leftist sources don't know that my conservative sources do.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Many call that waging war. Not all of them leftists. OK I'll give another answer to this. Who cares what "many" say? In this case there were millions of conservatives who knew it was the opposite of waging war, but aimed at stopping the aggression, and since it was long overdue because Solameini had been getting away with murdering hundreds of Americans it was not "waging" anything, it was responding to years of murder, which the war alarmist contingent seems to think we should have gone on tolerating. . AND apparently also we had reason to anticipate anther attack since the man was in Baghdad with a Hezbollah leader, prepared to do just that, a likelihood no doubt buttressed by intelligence that hasn't been made public. On the unlikely possibility that Iran would stupidly respond with more murder, a few well aimed military actions would have made a more certain end to the whole thing. I had Leftist friends quaking in their boots, and all I could say was Chill Out, you are hearing too much alarmist Leftist fake news that wants nothing but to try to make Trump look bad even when he's doing the best possible thing for the country. Thank God for Erica Kasraie's rational view of the situation. (See Message 4323 and the one following.) Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The "process" in the House had nothing to do with any precedent whatsoever. They violated every principle of fair trials (not to mention shredding the Constitutional standards for impeachment). The Clinton impeachment was a model of fairness and this was nothing like that.
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