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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The law requires that Trump inform the Gang of Eight of such actions unless there is a threat so imminent that there isn't time.
He's claimed an imminent threat. The multitude of different stories the6administra has told make it clear there was no imminent threat. They couldn't even brief Congress on an imminent threat. You yourself wrote "of course" the assassination was in response to protestors at our embassy. It's obvious that's true. Not an imminent threat. So, illegal.
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
She was referring to the assassination not Ukraine. That's a different crime.
It is hard to keep track of so many.
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
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quote:FWIW I don't hate Trump. I hate what he and his merry band of criminals have done. Trump's just so far out of his depth he's looking up at the Titanic. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Soleimani was killed in Baghdad where he was planning to kill more people. I thought killing him was a response to his other crimes but apparently there was more to it as he was in Baghdad with new plans in mind.
Trump had no obligation at all to inform anyone of his activities, as no President before him as ever done either. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
JonF is right, I was talking about taking out the terrorist Suleimani, not about the Ukrainian situation, but as to the latter Trump was not asking for anything related to anything personal at all, that's all made up by the Left, he was asking about corruptions within the Ukraine that always affect whether or not we will send aid to any nation. The corruptions in this case relate to the 2016 election tampering by the Democrats against Trump, and to the Biden situation where it seems HE withheld aid about a PERSONAL matter. Trump did not, Trump certainly had no personal reasons to go after Biden who was not at that time and probably never will be a contender in the next election anyway. That's such a bunch of bogus BS. But a President has the obligation to refuse aid to countries engaged in known corruption.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Soleimani was killed in Baghdad where he was planning to kill more people. I thought killing him was a response to his other crimes but apparently there was more to it as he was in Baghdad with new plans in mind.
I.e. no imminent threat.
Trump had no obligation at all to inform anyone of his activities, as no President before him as ever done either.
Have you noticed that every time you deny the existence of a law you are immediately shown to be wrong? US Constitution, Article 1, section 8:
quote: PUBLIC LAW 93-148 (the "War Powers Resolution of 1973"):
quote: War Powers Resolution: Presidential Compliance:
quote:{emphasis added}. Whether or not Trump was required to notify Congress has not been tested in court, so lawyers could argue it. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The "existence" of a law is not the point since Congress makes up bogus laws out of sheer hatred of Trump, and there is precedent for this kind of subterfuge in the Congress that impeached Andrew Johnson on the basis of an unconstitutional law they passed to prevent him from firing his War Secretary because they didn't want him to do that, although it was completely within his Constitutional power to do so. Same with the War Powers law apparently, they can't pass a law preventing the President from doing his Constitut8ionally defined duty.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The "existence" of a law is not the point since Congress makes up bogus laws out of sheer hatred of Trump, and there is precedent for this kind of subterfuge in the Congress that impeached Andrew Johnson on the basis of an unconstitutional law they passed to prevent him from firing his War Secretary because they didn't want him to do that, although it was completely within his Constitutional power to do so. Sorry Faith but in the US even an incompetent fool like il Donaldo is subject to any laws that exist. It does not matter if they are bogus or not, if they are the law then they apply to even il Donaldo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I see I never directly answered this post of yours, so I'll do so now:
Percy writes: Faith writes: You're getting the wrong news as usual. Fake News. I've been hearing for days about the Iranians protesting against their own government for the attack on the Ukrainian airliner, and yes, thanking Trump for taking out the terrorist they all hate. You're making up your own reality. Qasem Soleimani was a hero to the Iranian people for planning and implementing operations, terrorist and otherwise, against hated western nations. Iranians as a group are not thanking Trump for assassinating Soleimani, and they definitely do not love Americans. Does "Death to America" have a familiar ring to it? Does your memory go back far enough to remember the storming of our embassy in Iraq only a couple weeks ago: Protesters Attack U.S. Embassy in Iraq, Chanting ‘Death to America’. The protests were sponsored and instigated by Iran. So now to answer this ridiculous stuff DIRECTLY with the videos from Erica Kasraie in Message 4323 and Message 4324. She says that the supposed "love" for Soleimeini was all propaganda by the government, who even required their own employees to make it look like he was loved, whereas the Iranian people in general are very very happy that Solameini was taken out and yes actually tweeting Thanks to Trump. And yes also "liking" his tweet in Farsi in support of the Iranian people in unprecedentedly great numbers. She mentions that she was taught to say "Death to America" when she was only seven. How many actual Iranians share that sentiment is open to question since it's forced on them by the government. Please listen to these videos, at least two minutes of the first one from 1:00, and it would be really nice if you'd actually apologize but I won't hold my breath. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... But a President has the obligation to refuse aid to countries engaged in known corruption. Except he wasn't investigating corruption. He was not concerned with any investigation of corruption, just an announcement that Biden was being investigated ... and nobody else ... and then he released the funds without any document being provided clearing Ukraine or any of the other (several) excuses he had for holding the money. The only thing that occurred before the release of funds was the announcement of an investigation into his holding the funds. If he had any other reason than hustling Ukraine then he could have kept holding the funds. You do need to look at all the FACTS faith, not just what conforms to your beliefs. Amusing that there is now an investigation of this in the Ukraine to see if any Ukrainians participated in the corrupt efforts of Giuliani to create a false narrative and to get the Ambassador removed to make it easier for the corruption to proceed. Ukraine investigates prosecutor who gave Giuliani information on Biden | Ukraine | The Guardian And he is being investigated about here as well Giuliani Is Said to Be Under Investigation for Ukraine Work - The New York Times It would be interesting to see him at the Senate impeachment hearing ... under oath ... it seems he is a central player in this matter. Enjoy.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The laws are passed by Congress and signed by the President, or vetoed and overridden. There is no such thing as a bogus law. If you disapprove of a law you can sue (with some restrictions).
The War Powers Resolution is the law of the land unless and until it is repealed or invalidated in court. Deal with it. ABE The President doesn't have the Constitutional power to wage war, Congress does. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Congress made a law on which they impeached Andrew Johnson for disobeying it.
Trump did not wage war. he was specifically aiminhg to end war. Only the Left invented the other line. if the War Powers resolution is unconstitutional then it should be challeneged in the courts. Otherwise I think morally we are always in the right to disobey a bogus law.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: if the War Powers resolution is unconstitutional then it should be challeneged in the courts. Otherwise I think morally we are always in the right to disobey a bogus law. Being morally in the right is not a defense under the law.
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