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PaulK
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Message 114 of 133 (870467)
01-20-2020 12:52 PM
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01-20-2020 12:44 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
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We yearn for simpler times, such as what happened with Japan. They became a friendly competitor and yet a viable and profitable trading partner. Islam complicates things. We prefer Democracy first, Islam second.
The US has not been a great fan of democracy in the past, and that is a part of the problems in the region. Remember Operation Ajax?

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Message 118 of 133 (870472)
01-20-2020 1:25 PM
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01-20-2020 1:08 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
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And its still that way. Capitalism is fine as long as the people being exploited are the "others". The dnger of capitalism is when the exploited ones become your own people
That may be all right for the selfish, but capitalism will always try to exploit your own people. Not every business owner will do it, but some certainly will. Laws to protect workers have been enacted, but still businesses will try. Zero-hours contracts and the gig economy are recent examples.
But of course you miss the central point. The US participated in the overthrow of a democratic government (and that is far from the only example) and propped up the repressive regime that followed. That set the stage for Khomeini and the Islamic Republic.

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Message 121 of 133 (870477)
01-20-2020 2:03 PM
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01-20-2020 1:57 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
I hope the US has learned, although there were certainly messes as recent as the 1980s Iran-Contra Affair where the US sold weapons to Iran and some of the funds were diverted to support groups which could reasonably labelled as terrorists.

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