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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unfair evil laws are to be disobeyed.
However, I don't think Trump disobeyed anything. He did challenge something in the court though I forget what. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Trump was not and is not the subject of a criminal prosecution. The Sixth Amendment does not apply.
If you have any complaints about the process talk to the Republicans who specified it. The investigation was conducted in normal fashion and in accordance with the Constitution, laws, and rules. The invitation to send his lawyers was not required but was real. Trump chose to be not represented
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Basics Faith, basics.
The US is a Nation under Rule of Law.
Faith writes: Unfair evil laws are to be disobeyed. Again Faith, basics. Unfair or evil laws are to be obeyed until changed or to suffer the consequences. Reality Faith. The reality is that what happened in the House is not a trial. Our Constitution says that what happened in the House is not a trial. The US is a Nation under Laws. The House must obey the laws that the House establishes for their behavior. The Republicans, Trump's current party, decided what rules the House should follow. The Democrats followed those rules. Basics Faith, basics and reality show that once again you are spouting nonsense.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Unfair evil laws are to be disobeyed.
But they are law, no matter your opinion, and disobedience has consequences.
However, I don't think Trump disobeyed anything. He did challenge something in the court though I forget what.
Wow, you have no clue what Trump is accused of. According to Alan Dershowitz, one of Trump's lawyers in the Senate :
quote:Of course, with typical Republican hypocrisy, he's changed his mind. Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 65:
quote:I.e. not necessarily a crime. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Nitpick: House Rules are not laws.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
True but I'm trying to keep it simple. Baby steps.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Here's an idea. Go down to your local police station and tell them that "normal rights and freedoms, any normal due process, anything remotely based on our American principles" requires that,when they investigate someone, that someone and their lawyers be present in all interrogations.
Let us know how they react.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So there's just no way you get anything the conservatives are saying about these things, all you can do is keep repeating the Leftist line. Mayb3e that's because I'm bad at getting across the conservative point of view but whatever the reason the Leftist line gets tiresome and I end up just hoping the conservatives in the Senate can make the case that needs to be made. The House proceedings were a major sham that violated the Constitution and normal American principles of justice which are focused on the rights of the defendant; and Trump was right to stay out of it when they finally deigned to give his lawyers a few minutes to defend him.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: All the details are utterly irrelevant to the simple fact that both Erica Kasraie and the Washington Examiner report that the number of positive responses to Trump's message of support to the Iranian protestors was the biggest number ever. It was the biggest number for a tweet written in Farsi. But it wasn't because Trump's was the only tweet of support for the Iranian protestors, because it wasn't. And it wasn't because Trump's Farsi was so exquisite. It was because Trump is president of the United States, so it reverberated around the expatriate Iranian community.
Yes we know there are plenty of Trump haters there too,... Referring to everyone who disagrees with you as a hater is way past old. The people of Iran resent America for it's long history of interference. And they resent Trump because of his withdrawal from the nuclear accord, the imposition of harsh sanctions, and the assassination of Soleimani.
...though how many there are wouldn't be easily known because they are under the gun of the government,... Yeah, just like Republicans and administration officials fearing Trump's wrath are under the gun.
...but the "biggest number ever" still means that if all who could do so did give their positive response it would be even bigger than it was. Probably, but still meaningless. If John Smith had written the same Farsi tweet it would have gotten very little attention. It only got attention because Trump is president.
Trump deserved credit from US for what he did; This wouldn't make sense if you meant the Farsi tweet, which was a message of support for Iranians protesting against their government after the shooting down of an airliner, so you must have shifted gears to the assassination of Soleimani. It remains rash and reckless, horrible foreign policy and an improper use of our military.
...at least he got some credit from some of the Iranian people. How did you become aware of these Iranian people who support the assassination of their top general?
How many this and how many that is just a distraction from that simple fact. You don't have any facts, just bald assertions.
Trump often deserves credit he never gets. He often deserves blame he never accepts.
And you obviously don't want to give him any now either. For assassinating the top general of a country with whom were not at war? No, of course I give him no credit for that. It was a serious mistake for which there can only be blame. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Interesting. You skipped right over the posts of Erica Kasraie (Message 4323 and the next one). Perhaps it's silly of me to care what you'd have to say about her video anyway considering how consistent your view remains.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I mean like TYPICAL AMERICAN justice, the kind we've always practiced in such situations ... So no judge or jury.
... such situations that nobody ever objected to until Trump did it. Did anyone call taking out Bin Laden "assassination" of a rightful foreign official? No, because that was handled through (a) the war on terror, (b) BinLaden was enemy terrorist #1 and (c) the National Defense Council authorized it.
It was the Democrats in jthe House that refused to allow the Presdident due process. ThePresident got all the due process the Constitution requires. The Senate is where the REST of the process should occur. Looks like the republicans are making a mockery of it. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
At the Davos conference Trump threatened more tariffs as part of his program of coercion of European allies using protectionist policies. Free trade, a longstanding (very longstanding) and integral part of the Republican platform, is nowhere in sight. From https://www.washingtonpost.com/...t-with-long-time-us-allies:
quote: Trump is not a dealmaker. His hallmark negotiating strategy is the absence of one. In its place he uses strong-arm tactics and intimidation. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
This is the most recent in my series of posts about Trump lying about American casualties after the Iran ballistic missile attack on our bases in Iraq. The Defense Department just shipped another cohort of injured Americans to Germany. So much for the claims of no casualties. https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ssile-attack-pentagon-says:
quote: Sorry for the long quote, but it was necessary to note the complete lack of transparency. The NFL has no problem using a tent for 10 minutes to conduct tests that immediately reveal concussion-like symptoms. The words the Defense Department used are a coverup of the seriousness of the Iranian attack. Apparently the missiles caused massive blasts causing concussive symptoms in many servicemen that the military did not detect for days and days. The "abundance of caution" phrase is a smokescreen. The only possible truth is that these servicemen were not evaluated for concussions or related injuries at the time and are only being sent to Germany for treatment because they began showing up at the infirmary complaining of symptoms, which could range from headaches to sleeplessness to eyesight problems, etc. Addressing youngsters out there considering a career in the military, this is how much the Trump administration actually cares about you. If you're attacked then only if it furthers Trump's agenda will the true story of what happened emerge, in which case you will get the medical help you need. But if it doesn't serve Trump's agenda then the account of what actually happened will be covered up and your injury didn't happen and won't be immediately treated. It will be denied that you are injured. Treatment could be delayed for days or weeks or forever. When you return stateside and make claims of PTSD they might be denied because your records will not show that you were ever injured. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Edited by Percy, : Delete content of double post.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Strong-arm tactics are his way of negotiating. See
Is Donald Trump Really a Great Negotiator (Spoiler: No)
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