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Faith 
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Message 4381 of 5796 (870511)
01-21-2020 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 4380 by jar
01-21-2020 10:16 AM


Re: Basics Faith, try to learn the basics.
Unfair evil laws are to be disobeyed.
However, I don't think Trump disobeyed anything. He did challenge something in the court though I forget what.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 4382 of 5796 (870512)
01-21-2020 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 4379 by Faith
01-21-2020 10:06 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Trump was not and is not the subject of a criminal prosecution. The Sixth Amendment does not apply.
If you have any complaints about the process talk to the Republicans who specified it. The investigation was conducted in normal fashion and in accordance with the Constitution, laws, and rules.
The invitation to send his lawyers was not required but was real. Trump chose to be not represented

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jar
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Message 4383 of 5796 (870513)
01-21-2020 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 4381 by Faith
01-21-2020 10:27 AM


Re: Basics Faith, try to learn the basics.
Basics Faith, basics.
The US is a Nation under Rule of Law.
Faith writes:
Unfair evil laws are to be disobeyed.
Again Faith, basics. Unfair or evil laws are to be obeyed until changed or to suffer the consequences.
Reality Faith.
The reality is that what happened in the House is not a trial.
Our Constitution says that what happened in the House is not a trial.
The US is a Nation under Laws.
The House must obey the laws that the House establishes for their behavior.
The Republicans, Trump's current party, decided what rules the House should follow.
The Democrats followed those rules.
Basics Faith, basics and reality show that once again you are spouting nonsense.

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JonF
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Message 4384 of 5796 (870515)
01-21-2020 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 4381 by Faith
01-21-2020 10:27 AM


Re: Basics Faith, try to learn the basics.
Unfair evil laws are to be disobeyed.
But they are law, no matter your opinion, and disobedience has consequences.
However, I don't think Trump disobeyed anything. He did challenge something in the court though I forget what.
Wow, you have no clue what Trump is accused of.
According to Alan Dershowitz, one of Trump's lawyers in the Senate :
quote:
It certainly doesn't have to be a crime if you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty, you don't need a technical crime,
Of course, with typical Republican hypocrisy, he's changed his mind.
Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 65:
quote:
The subjects of [impeachment's] jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.
I.e. not necessarily a crime.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 4385 of 5796 (870516)
01-21-2020 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 4383 by jar
01-21-2020 10:38 AM


Re: Basics Faith, try to learn the basics.
Nitpick: House Rules are not laws.

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jar
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Message 4386 of 5796 (870517)
01-21-2020 10:59 AM
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01-21-2020 10:57 AM


Re: Basics Faith, try to learn the basics.
True but I'm trying to keep it simple. Baby steps.

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JonF
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Message 4387 of 5796 (870520)
01-21-2020 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 4379 by Faith
01-21-2020 10:06 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Here's an idea. Go down to your local police station and tell them that "normal rights and freedoms, any normal due process, anything remotely based on our American principles" requires that,when they investigate someone, that someone and their lawyers be present in all interrogations.
Let us know how they react.

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Faith 
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Message 4388 of 5796 (870523)
01-21-2020 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4382 by JonF
01-21-2020 10:33 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
So there's just no way you get anything the conservatives are saying about these things, all you can do is keep repeating the Leftist line. Mayb3e that's because I'm bad at getting across the conservative point of view but whatever the reason the Leftist line gets tiresome and I end up just hoping the conservatives in the Senate can make the case that needs to be made. The House proceedings were a major sham that violated the Constitution and normal American principles of justice which are focused on the rights of the defendant; and Trump was right to stay out of it when they finally deigned to give his lawyers a few minutes to defend him.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 4389 of 5796 (870542)
01-21-2020 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 4328 by Faith
01-18-2020 6:07 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
All the details are utterly irrelevant to the simple fact that both Erica Kasraie and the Washington Examiner report that the number of positive responses to Trump's message of support to the Iranian protestors was the biggest number ever.
It was the biggest number for a tweet written in Farsi. But it wasn't because Trump's was the only tweet of support for the Iranian protestors, because it wasn't. And it wasn't because Trump's Farsi was so exquisite. It was because Trump is president of the United States, so it reverberated around the expatriate Iranian community.
Yes we know there are plenty of Trump haters there too,...
Referring to everyone who disagrees with you as a hater is way past old.
The people of Iran resent America for it's long history of interference. And they resent Trump because of his withdrawal from the nuclear accord, the imposition of harsh sanctions, and the assassination of Soleimani.
...though how many there are wouldn't be easily known because they are under the gun of the government,...
Yeah, just like Republicans and administration officials fearing Trump's wrath are under the gun.
...but the "biggest number ever" still means that if all who could do so did give their positive response it would be even bigger than it was.
Probably, but still meaningless. If John Smith had written the same Farsi tweet it would have gotten very little attention. It only got attention because Trump is president.
Trump deserved credit from US for what he did;
This wouldn't make sense if you meant the Farsi tweet, which was a message of support for Iranians protesting against their government after the shooting down of an airliner, so you must have shifted gears to the assassination of Soleimani. It remains rash and reckless, horrible foreign policy and an improper use of our military.
...at least he got some credit from some of the Iranian people.
How did you become aware of these Iranian people who support the assassination of their top general?
How many this and how many that is just a distraction from that simple fact.
You don't have any facts, just bald assertions.
Trump often deserves credit he never gets.
He often deserves blame he never accepts.
And you obviously don't want to give him any now either.
For assassinating the top general of a country with whom were not at war? No, of course I give him no credit for that. It was a serious mistake for which there can only be blame.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 4390 of 5796 (870544)
01-21-2020 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 4389 by Percy
01-21-2020 6:56 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Interesting. You skipped right over the posts of Erica Kasraie (Message 4323 and the next one). Perhaps it's silly of me to care what you'd have to say about her video anyway considering how consistent your view remains.

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Message 4391 of 5796 (870545)
01-21-2020 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 4360 by Faith
01-20-2020 5:01 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
I mean like TYPICAL AMERICAN justice, the kind we've always practiced in such situations ...
So no judge or jury.
... such situations that nobody ever objected to until Trump did it. Did anyone call taking out Bin Laden "assassination" of a rightful foreign official?
No, because that was handled through (a) the war on terror, (b) BinLaden was enemy terrorist #1 and (c) the National Defense Council authorized it.
It was the Democrats in jthe House that refused to allow the Presdident due process.
ThePresident got all the due process the Constitution requires. The Senate is where the REST of the process should occur. Looks like the republicans are making a mockery of it.
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Percy
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Message 4392 of 5796 (870551)
01-22-2020 7:28 AM


Trump Just Loves Tariffs
At the Davos conference Trump threatened more tariffs as part of his program of coercion of European allies using protectionist policies. Free trade, a longstanding (very longstanding) and integral part of the Republican platform, is nowhere in sight. From https://www.washingtonpost.com/...t-with-long-time-us-allies:
quote:
After 70 years of being largely hand in hand in promoting democracy and capitalism around the world, the United States and Europe are now at odds over trade, climate change, taxation, privacy, Iran and defense funding. And Trump continues to try to use tariffs to pressure European leaders to meet his demands.
Trump is not a dealmaker. His hallmark negotiating strategy is the absence of one. In its place he uses strong-arm tactics and intimidation.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4393 of 5796 (870552)
01-22-2020 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 4297 by Percy
01-17-2020 7:36 AM


Re: Trump Lies Again
This is the most recent in my series of posts about Trump lying about American casualties after the Iran ballistic missile attack on our bases in Iraq. The Defense Department just shipped another cohort of injured Americans to Germany. So much for the claims of no casualties. https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ssile-attack-pentagon-says:
quote:
The Pentagon said Friday that 11 service members required medical treatment outside Iraq. U.S. military officials declined to say Tuesday how many more are receiving care but said additional personnel had been sent to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany.
The officials left open the possibility that the number could increase in coming days.
The health and safety of all service members is the greatest concern for all Department leadership and we greatly appreciate the care that these members have received and continue to receive at the hands of our medical professionals, Army Maj. Beth Riordan, a military spokeswoman, said in a statement. As medical treatment and evaluations in theater continue, additional service members have been identified as having potential injuries.
Riordan’s statement continued: These service members out of an abundance of caution have been transported to Landstuhl, Germany for further evaluations and necessary treatment on an outpatient basis. Given the nature of injuries already noted, it is possible additional injuries may be identified in the future.
The statement did not address the condition of the first 11 service members transported out of Iraq, and U.S. defense officials said Tuesday evening that they did not have more information about them to share.
Sorry for the long quote, but it was necessary to note the complete lack of transparency. The NFL has no problem using a tent for 10 minutes to conduct tests that immediately reveal concussion-like symptoms. The words the Defense Department used are a coverup of the seriousness of the Iranian attack. Apparently the missiles caused massive blasts causing concussive symptoms in many servicemen that the military did not detect for days and days.
The "abundance of caution" phrase is a smokescreen. The only possible truth is that these servicemen were not evaluated for concussions or related injuries at the time and are only being sent to Germany for treatment because they began showing up at the infirmary complaining of symptoms, which could range from headaches to sleeplessness to eyesight problems, etc.
Addressing youngsters out there considering a career in the military, this is how much the Trump administration actually cares about you. If you're attacked then only if it furthers Trump's agenda will the true story of what happened emerge, in which case you will get the medical help you need. But if it doesn't serve Trump's agenda then the account of what actually happened will be covered up and your injury didn't happen and won't be immediately treated. It will be denied that you are injured. Treatment could be delayed for days or weeks or forever. When you return stateside and make claims of PTSD they might be denied because your records will not show that you were ever injured.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4394 of 5796 (870553)
01-22-2020 8:00 AM
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01-17-2020 7:36 AM


Re: Trump Lies Again
Edited by Percy, : Delete content of double post.

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Message 4395 of 5796 (870554)
01-22-2020 8:08 AM
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01-22-2020 7:28 AM


Re: Trump Just Loves Tariffs
Strong-arm tactics are his way of negotiating. See
Is Donald Trump Really a Great Negotiator
(Spoiler: No)

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