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jar
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Message 107 of 133 (870440)
01-19-2020 4:12 PM
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01-19-2020 4:01 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
Phat writes:
Does the division have anything to do with a dominant majority who wants to hog all the money and resources?
What about power? In those cases does only one group hold all the power and control?
Now look at the US. Do we currently see minorities in the US who feel they are denied access to money, resources, power, security, a voice? What steps do we at least try to take towards responding to their issues?

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 109 of 133 (870462)
01-20-2020 12:30 PM
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01-20-2020 12:27 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
Sheesh...just sheesh Phat.
You have simply totally lost all connection with the topic once again. Why do you always run off into nonsense land?

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jar
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Message 112 of 133 (870465)
01-20-2020 12:41 PM
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01-20-2020 12:36 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
Phat writes:
You will likely (and correctly) point out that I am looking out only for myself.
Is this not human nature? Do Kurd's lookout for Sunnis, Shites, or Kurds?
Still totally missing the issue.
Now look at what I quoted and then look at Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Iraq.

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jar
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Message 115 of 133 (870468)
01-20-2020 1:03 PM
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01-20-2020 12:44 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
Phat writes:
On a simple level, I think that the US wants Iraq to become democratic(as in friendly trading partner) and yet not aligned with Iran. God forbid the Iraqis choose to sever ties with the US.
You are still just masturbating Phat.
Democracy is totally irrelevant and has absolutely nothing to do with reality. As long as people like you continue to deal in irrelevancies and just jerk off there really is little hope.

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jar
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Message 117 of 133 (870470)
01-20-2020 1:17 PM
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01-20-2020 1:08 PM


Re: Enemies vs Competitors
Phat writes:
And jar: How rude. I am not in a debate class getting graded for my arguments. I am simply calling things the way I see them. There are many more people even less educated than I, and they *do* have a voice in today's politics, uninformed though they may be.
Yes Phat, that is what you are doing and yes Phat, they do have a voice in today's politics, uninformed though they may be and as long as they choose to be uninformed what does the evidence show the result will likely be.
But you are still not addressing the topic or any of the issues raised by anybody.

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jar
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Message 122 of 133 (870480)
01-20-2020 3:55 PM
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01-20-2020 1:57 PM


western, particularly US, meddkling in the affairs of other governments
Phat, we created Saddam and he was our ally. It was OUR ambassador that gave Saddam the go ahead to invade Kuwait. Are you are familiar with the meeting between Saddam and Ambassador Glaspie?
The US has long supported dictators as long as it was in the interest of US businesses. Consider the part United Fruit and our support of the company played in all the unrest in South America.
Consider your assertion up thread that the US had so right to the oil in Iran and Iraq.
While we may pay lip service to words like "Democracy" and "Self Governance" is is only as long as those silly things do not interfere with making a profit.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 124 of 133 (870503)
01-21-2020 9:30 AM
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01-21-2020 8:23 AM


Re: For A season We Needed Saddam In Iraq. What changed?
Probably not related at all.
The issue was most likely the result of our simply not giving clear guidance to the Ambassador, or at least that would be my charitable position. BUT remember that George HW Bush also served as the head of the CIA for a year under Gerald Ford and as Vice President under Ronald Reagan. He was not a naive non-political person unfamiliar with either the history of the region or intrigue.
Why did the US see the expansion of Iraq as a major threat?
But again, return to the examples of Yugoslavia, Czeckoslovakia, the US and Iraq. What should we learn from the former that might be relevant today related to Iraq and equally important Turkey?
Edited by jar, : hit wrong key

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jar
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Message 128 of 133 (870530)
01-21-2020 4:39 PM
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01-21-2020 3:42 PM


Re: Why did the US see the expansion of Iraq as a major threat?
Phat writes:
These chickens are coming home to roost. No longer do we have a world of weak countries and docile populations. We are now competing with these people and these countries.
Back to competition yet again. Sheesh.
We are not competing with the people of other nations!

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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 130 of 133 (870535)
01-21-2020 4:55 PM
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01-21-2020 4:51 PM


Re: Why did the US see the expansion of Iraq as a major threat?
Phat writes:
Competition is at the core of these issues.
Sheesh!

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