Charismatic Chaos

The fact that your only rebuttal is that it's simply too threatening should be a clue to YOU that the reason you reject the concept is that it scares you, not that it is unreasonable or impossible or not supported by logic and evidence and so you create the God in YOUR image.Edited by jar, : No reason given.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

What is the evidence from the Bible Phat?The Dogma is simply a denial of what is actually written in the Bible and creating a God in the Apologists image.And the evidence seems to scare you. Again, note that you did not provide any evidence or logic or reasoning and just revert to "Apologists said it first".

What scripture? Are you going back to the pick the scripture you like conjob that is the Hall Mark of the Charismatic?

First scripture is any writings assumed to be related to divinity. The Qur'an and Book of the Dead and Eight Fold Path and Bhagavad Git all have similar standing, similar authority, similar validity.People pick and choose based on the God or Theology they wish to create.It's possible to learn from the content of all scripture and the purpose of all scripture is to market the position favored by the author.The readers task is to test the content against reason, logic and reality.

Sheesh Phat.

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Genesis 3
1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

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The serpent say that they will know the difference between good and evil.Now, as expected, you can take pieces parts out of context or actually read what is written. But read it all.

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Genesis 2:

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15And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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Is there any mention in Genesis 2 or Genesis 3 of communion or universal truth and love?Now did Adam die the day he ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge?Did Adam learn to tell the difference between good and evil?In the story, who told the truth?Why do you and all the Apologists and all of the CCoI insist on rewtiting the Bible in YOUR image?

After eating Adam like Eve knew they had done wrong and were naked and so they hid. I simply acknowledge what is wriien in the story. The story does not say they only knew of good and evil but rather in fact the God character says they had become like Gods to KNOW good and evil.Stop writing in the pieces parts you want to be in the story.

Much of the earlier writings in the Old Testament books acknowledges Polytheism. The issue is even a major point throughout many of the stories that Jehovah was the God of the Jews; "I am the Lord, THY God. That shalt have no other Gods BEFORE me." Talk about utter nonsense and irrelevancies. The first example is really stupid. Think Phat. What the serpent said was the truth and in the story acknowledged as being true.But I think you are still under the really silly idea that the story is really about God or obedience or sin and not about the transition from the earlier nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyle to the latter settled farming lifestyle.

Full stop Phat. Once again you are mixing up pieces parts from two totally unrelated stories written hundreds or thousands of years apart by entirely different cultures.Genesis 1 has absolutely nothing to do with the much older tales that make up Genesis 2&3. You are trying to conflate Gone With the Wind with the White Seal.

You quoted a piece of what I had said and then run on and on and on without ever addressing what you quoted or the issue raised by that quote. Why do you hate that question? Really, or perhaps you simply hate my oft repeated explanation of what I believe?Do you find the very existence of my belief unnerving?Do you hate those questions as well?

I dislike the fact that they misrepresent what is actually written in the Bible and NEVER, EVER actually teach what is reported to have been said by Jesus.I dislike the fact that they create and market a total complete fantasy and deny the fact that throughout the Bible the lesson is that humans must do what is needed. Who built and filled the graineries?We need to build and fill the graineries.We need to heal the sick.We need to clothe the naked.We need to shelter the homeless.We need to protect the weak.We need to feed the hungry.Biblical Christianity today markets only the Lillies of the Field and sells the Get Outta Hell Cards.It is a perversion of what is actually contained in the Bible stories or what Jesus preached.

Exactly. That is why the easy sell product is what Biblical Christianity markets.

Word salad again Phat and utter nonsense.Reality Phat.Judah and Israel were different societies with different beliefs and different practices. No one doubts that you do believe that Phat. But ...

Many, many do just that Phat. But what does that have to do with beliefs? Am I you?How many times have I said that I believe that after death I will be judged by God?Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Correct! Well, the first clue might be the fact that I'm dead and getting judged. Really Phat, think. But again you misrepresent what I have said repeatedly. Why do you try to rewrite my position to fit your needs? I have never said we will be judged based on our beliefs and do not think beliefs will have any relevance at all.

Yet even though you cherry picked only those verses you thought might support your position, even some that you included refute your position.No Phat, the Bible is very seldom clear on this issue or anything else.