Charismatic Chaos

But we have no reason to think that's true. A "thus" that comes from an empty statement is equally empty.As I have pointed out, without evidence to distinguish one made-up idea from another, there is no way to distinguish one made-up idea from another.

The fact that your only rebuttal is that it's simply too threatening should be a clue to YOU that the reason you reject the concept is that it scares you, not that it is unreasonable or impossible or not supported by logic and evidence and so you create the God in YOUR image.Edited by jar, : No reason given.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

What reasons do we have to think its false? I can think of a few you might use:
1) There is no evidence God does anything.
Upon which I would say to quit using evidence as the only standard. Quite clearly the dogma basically says that a minority of people will understand and a majority either won't get it or will reject it.
2)How would we know which God turned out to be real, if any?Obviously the One who would want relationship with humanity---to become reconnected. Our major mistake as a species was disconnecting.

So you reject the "dogma" that God is good all the time and all the time God is good? It seems the GOD you imagine is so complex that we would be lucky to even get an audience.

False is the default. Innocent until proven guilty, no unicorns without evidence, etc. Otherwise we'd be up to our ears in possibilities with no way to thin the herd. Quit saying that. It's stupid. If there was any other standard we'd be using it. That's my question to you. Every argument you use against Zeus can be used against your God. There's nothing obvious about that, or even sensible. Species don't make mistakes. Only individuals make mistakes.And the whole "disconnection" thing is just another lie told by apologists. The whole Bible is about people connecting with God.

What is the evidence from the Bible Phat?The Dogma is simply a denial of what is actually written in the Bible and creating a God in the Apologists image.And the evidence seems to scare you. Again, note that you did not provide any evidence or logic or reasoning and just revert to "Apologists said it first".

I was always taught that God is good. A God Who is simply "complete" as you suggest is not logical as he would essentially have a dualistic personality.Modern Charismania always has a Hero (Jesus) a Villain(Satan) and a Victim: Unregenerate humans.Ironically, global politics has followed this theme.
We have a Hero (US Freedom and Democracy, a Villain(Islam is the most recent, along with Terrorism) and a Victim. I often see myself as the victim, but we have discussed others---namely ethnic minorities. It seems as if the global struggle always involves some who want what others have.But getting back to this---why is God complete rather than good? A case can be made scripturallly for both positions.

Which "God" though? Good One? Complete One? Or even the bad one...Iran calls us "The Great Satan"...is there any truth to that?

What scripture? Are you going back to the pick the scripture you like conjob that is the Hall Mark of the Charismatic?

How can you possibly determine which scripture to pick then? What is the purpose of scripture?

First scripture is any writings assumed to be related to divinity. The Qur'an and Book of the Dead and Eight Fold Path and Bhagavad Git all have similar standing, similar authority, similar validity.People pick and choose based on the God or Theology they wish to create.It's possible to learn from the content of all scripture and the purpose of all scripture is to market the position favored by the author.The readers task is to test the content against reason, logic and reality.

That's pretty much the whole truth. The only Satan is us - but us including Iran of course.

In another topic, you say that the idea of God is not illogical. So why is the idea of an angel who freely (and finally) chose to rebel a nonsensical idea? You must answer by saying "because he would know from the start he couldn't win" but I challenge that assumption. I need to look no further than myself. Sometime s I choose to be rebellious because I think and believe that I CAN win.And free will is anything but useless. It is a reality. Within limits, we have free will. We cannot freely choose our own heaven (or hell) and we cannot freely choose to teleport across the universe. We do have limits inherent to our nature. But we freely decide every day how to act. What to believe. And whether or not we want to be "good" or a bit naughty. We do have these choices. Good and evil are absolutes, however. We cannot simply decide that good is bad without lying to ourselves.

It's nonsensical in the context of the God that YOU have created. A logical God could be created and logical angels could be created. But you describe a supposedly "all-powerful" God - who has a powerful rival.???That's like saying Bill Gates has all of the money in the world - and Elon Musk has some money too. It's not consistent, not logical. You should stop trying to predict what I'm going to say. Your time would be better spent thinking through your own position. Again, that statement is self-contradictory. It's like saying a prisoner has complete freedom within his cell. False.

Perhaps I should clarify. If God exists and is anything like the One I describe, you would have free will within limits. the only way you could have free will with no limits is if you yourself were godlike. Now...I'm not sure what the definition of "godlike" would be, but it sheds light on the story of the angels. Even the fallen ones were a bit like gods. They were eternal. They had power within their assigned realms. (substitute the word predetermined for assigned) In other words, you may have free will to ignore God, avoid Spinich, and live in canada. What you dont have is free will to define reality, control the weather, live forever or be able to lift 2000 lbs. When the snake declared that A&E would be as gods, the snake meant (in my opinion) that they would live eternally one way or another...either as in rebellion or in communion with universal truth and love. Again, assuming the snake as an extension of satan, satan can live forever. What he can't do is supervise the universe. What e cant do is woo followers through love and discipline. What he can't do is be God. At best, he can be like God in certain aspects. Humans listened to the wrong voice, but apparently it was foreknown to happen. It's not as if God made a mistake. It's a lesson that we are still learning and processing.Furthermore, there are many of you who don't believe that God exists. Your right to decide on your beliefs is an aspect of your free will. What you don't have a right to do is define reality. If God (or satan) exists, it is beyond the scope of your limited free will.